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uncle herb
Chester, sounds like you've reached Level 4 Doomism.
s
Little Nemo
Counselor: 622-3702.
scorpio
ozzie: i've used qmodem for over a year with unix/internet..
and it works fine..
but if you can support it, the best term program in existance is
procomm+ for windows...
chester cheetah
Last time you saw me in person, uncle herb, I was already at Level IV. Evertime I headed for the Patuxent and the Bay, I was praying to see an immense white flash behind me.
Same goes for most of the places I've lived in the last two years. Especially Denver.
StraitJacket
CJTK: One problem you will run into with trying to run them under dos is that dos doesn't MT very well... Windoz can (Kinda) and the slip/PPP software (winsock) can drive most apps. (mosaic, cello, winweb, telnet, ping, irc, news...) regardless of the maker of the winsock.dll
MontyL
Version 2.0, of course (Procomm Plus) Someone finally found a replacement for my PCPlus 1.1B... ;)
Will do, CJTK. Once I figure out what http: means... (stupid user alert!)
BK
MontyL: it's worth getting then(PCP/Win that is)? it is rather expensive though
golden spud
MontyL> I don't know for CERTAIN what HTTP means, but I'm guessing it's "Hyper Text Transfer Protocol", which is what Mosaic and other WorldWideWeb programs use to transfer information back and forth.
StraitJacket
HTTP Hypertext Text page
Counselor
Ok, I'm looking for an offline news reader for the Internet. Can anyone give me any information on this...such as names, how they are used, etc.
Captain James T Kirk
Monty>> http is the www transport protocol... sooo, assuming your internet machine has Lynx, "lynx http://marketplace.com/" should get you close to the TIA pages...
Ozzie
Scorpio>nope, no windows, darn it, anyway. Fuzzy and BW, which would you recommend with a PC XT, monochrome screen? For the most part, Qmodem serves perfectly well, except on Horizon and Nikita. GO figure!
JayDee
I'm too old
and I'm a bitcH
Joe
Counselor> QWX.
Joe
Anyone looking for immediate work as a tech support-internet savy person send e-mail via internet to rjohnson@spry.com. It's a new outfit and they have a large scale operation ready to go. Randy Johnson is looking to hire young, polite "people" persons to man the phones, offer tech help on Gopher, WWW, anon ftp, ftp, archie, pine, veronica, etc.
golden spud
Ozzie> Crosstalk/Crosstalk Communicator (ask Fuzzy) or Terminate.
Counselor> There is a well-known offline USENET reader called yarn, I don't know of any Unix programs that create the packets in the format that it requires, though.
John
I hope Randy Johnson gets reamed by the EEOC for targeting "young" employees.
MontyL
BK> A copy is sitting right next to my desk, at this very moment. Absolutely the best I've ever seen. Procomm Plus V2.0 for Windows, that is...
Black Wolf
Ozzie, I'm a major big fan of Terminate, but if you want error correction then Odyssey is pretty good too.
MontyL
Thanks, GS. It sounds right...
Blain Nelson
GS is correct. HTTP is HyperText Transfer Protocol. It is used in the World Wide Web. It is cool.
MontyL
All right! Lynx is here, and I understand the concept. Thanks for the help, folks!
Now, all I have to do is get Horizon to reinstate my account... Doggone him, anyway.
Twoflower
I saw Procomm + for Windows, and on a 486/dx33 it had an annoying scroll rate... couldn't keep up with a high-speed modem or something. Didn't like it at all.
Twoflower
Oh, yeah, is there any place in Seattle (or elsewhere for that matter) that gives out free mail-only accounts? I know Connected used to. It would be a nice way to create a 'zine account without having to pay another bunch o' cash every month.
Captain James T Kirk
HTTP does indeed stand for HyperText Transport Protocol... it is not, however the language that WWW pages are written in... thats HTML... HyperText Markup Language...
and Mosaic speaks more than HTTP...it does FTP, Gopher and WAIS as well...
Captain James T Kirk
Does anyone have DOSLynx running over SLIP? I've been trying to get it to run for the last two weeks or so... It seems to lack a TCP debug mode...so it's rather hard to figure out what the damned problem is...
Little Nemo
type
lynx http://www.seanet.com/litlnemo/wendi.html
instead. :)
Blain Nelson
I'll be posting my URL soon I hope.
Once I have one, that is.
Ozzie
Thanks Monty, BW. Now, how do I get this program? :)
MontyL
You mentioned Mosaic again, CJTK... Can that be used without SLIP/PPP, or can it be used with a dial-in shell account?
Wolfgang
You can use Mosiac (sort of) with a shell account via TIA. Halcyon is demoing it, and some people have had success with it.
Captain James T Kirk
Monty>> Mosaic needs a SLIP connection...(or better...)... however, i've seen people say they use it over TIA... it also needs windows...which is why i don't use it...
Alpha Wolf
http i found a little on the useless side... but oh well.. :)
The best term program for those of us who kill windows for fun is Telix...
I have that and am in love with it, fast, efficent, easy, nice scripting language...
Elisabeth Perrin
PC+ For Windows has several methods of scrolling text, and several methods of painting the text on your screen as well. You choose what you like. Has worked great for me.
Lady Godiva
I read an interesting editorial about Mosaic this past week. The assertion was that it is a bandwidth hog (a given), and that video, sound, etc. that mosaic supports does not give that much "added value" to the information derived. We are encountering that problem where I work. Our 2 megabit WAN is maxed out, and pressure to add =any= type of Internet access to every desktop gives the network guys the heebie-jeebies. The end-users (and some of the administrators) are saying not to provide Internet access until we can provide Mosaic.
Cave Bear
Call one of the alternet nodes that are neutral in your opinion. May I suggest Counselor's Blind Man's Bluff. When I ran an alternet sub board I had free internet e-mail which I tested and worked very well. It's free.
John
As bandwidth has increased, the volume of stuff we want to push through it has also increased. That's going to be the way it is for the forseeable future. Yeah, sure, it may max the bandwidth. But the bandwidth will catch up.
Little Nemo
Everybody wants Mosaic now. It's insane. I talk to people who have no clue at all about anything net-related, but they've gotta have Mosaic 'cause they've heard it's cool.
Grendel
It is cool. I'm used to using Lynx for HTML stuff but I got to play with Mosaic a little during my interview at Spry. Cool stuff. It's nice to see all the images that I normally miss. Once I start working there, I'm going to have to spruce up my own Web pages with graphics now that I can see them.
Lady Godiva
Mosaic is also available for many other platforms, including Mac and Unix.
Blain Nelson
Mosaic is pretty, but Lynx is faster and I rarely need the pretty pictures on a well designed page. The WebLouvre and the Vatican Library Exhibit don't make much sense from Lynx, but most of what I need does.
StraitJacket
Mosaic is cool.. but even on local, I turn off the graphics.. just too slow. text only looks better than lynx.
Black Wolf
I dont want Mosaic
MontyL
Good point, Nemo... I've had the opportunity to see it at work, and decided that it was the thing for me, when I got CLI lazy... But, I'll probably use both, more so with CLI.
TIA, huh? Looks like I'll have to dig into that a little further. Plus, Blain and a few others have indicated that Pacific Rim will have (has?) $15 a month SLIP...
Time to go check out a few things.
Counselor
Twoflower, as Cave Bear said, all of the AlterNet boards offer free Internet E-mail.
Alpha Wolf, Telix has problems with high speed modems from my experience. Terminate is a much better solution.
Ozzie
Well, I'm still trying to find a decent term program beside Qmodem. But, how or where does one get these software programs and is shareware the best way to go about it? "I'd hate to download as I only have a 2400 baud rate, it would take absolutely forever to do. ANy suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks
john hinkley
hey audin.
i finally got working internet access.
so give me your e-mail address so i can test the mail functions, eh?
and also do you know of any good telnet or ftp sites? i have a few
lists. some of them okay. having trouble finding good ftp places.
you know of any?
Wolfgang
ProComm v2.0 is really quite good. Best Windows comm there is.
Counselor
Ozzie, if Terminate isn't available at Line NoiZe, I could send a copy up there if the sysops would be willing to make it available to you for d/l, so it would not be l/d for you.
Or, if you are seriously interested, I think in the documentation there is an address you can write to get a disk sent to you. There is probably a nominal charge for the disk and postage, but Terminate itself is shareware.
san san
RE: free internet mail accounts
What Cave Bear and Counselor said.
You can call my board as well.
And we do support ListServers in case you didn't know.
For at least a year now. . .
Torch Song
Terminate is here, as is Odyssey (which is apparently pretty good, too). They're both almighty long downloads at 2400, though... Maybe we should get together for coffee & trade floppies, Ozzie? Would be faster, no doubt.
Captain James T Kirk
amalmin@halcyon.com
ftp:
wuarchive.wustl.edu and
oak.oakland.edu
are the two normal ms dos sites...
MontyL
Hmmm... I keep forgetting about Lynx... :)
John
I just bought the 'Internet Yellow Pages' at Costco for $17. Check it out, John. Lots of FTP cites listed.
Black Wolf
I kinda like Lynx, even if it is kinda screwy
WHoKNoWS
found out 'bout the mosaic problem at school when we set up the net....
one 56k line i snice...though your ftp's slow down when you get multiple ones going each only gets part... but mosaic just fried the system... doing workshops with it everyone liked it but its to much like a macintosh...i.e. if you cater to people with no clue you waste the resource.....
Ozzie
Thanks to all for the help. Yes, TS. We haven't done that in awhile, have we? Just let me know when and where, only times that are bad for me right now are Mondays, subject to change due to my getting back in volunteer work soon.
Twoflower
Counselor: I need something faster than that. And I don't know of any alternet boards in Olympia anyway.
I may just solve the problem by getting linux and running a SLIP. I hear some systems are providing SLIP for $20 or so, which wouldn't be much more than my current monthly charge. And I'd have my own domain and as many free accounts as I'd need. :)
Now I just gotta register tower.wa.usa
Or maybe milliways.org
Hmmmmm. :)
john hinkley
where can one get a copy of lynx or mosaic? are they shareware
or freewaare? it sounds like they are front-ends for the internet
am i correct?
also what do people here know about "mailing lists"? that may
not be the correct term. maybe my friend just meant newsgroups.
how do i subscribe to a newsgroup?
uncle herb
most people on Internet are elitist little twits who would never make it outside the school computer room.
chester cheetah
I have had some fun discussions in the alt.alien.visitors newsgroup, where it was brought to my attention something that I already knew: Arguing with an engineer is rather like mud-wrestling with a pig. After awhile you realize that it never ends, there's never any clear winner, and the pig actually *likes* it.
Other than that, I agree with your assessment. It's interesting to watch the old-timers (serious geeks from the various internet lairs-of-the-great-untanned) bitch about the degradation of the INet newsgroups, what with all of the pollution by non-geeks... where in actuality, the greatest noise to signal ratio is from the newly arriving geeks who insist on demonstrating to all and sundry that they are willing to learn to navigate at others' expenses.
MontyL
$30 a month, full-time, Blain? No complaints from me, if that's correct.
Correct on both counts, john. Mosaic, and the necessary WIN32S 32-bit enhancement for Windows 3.1X, is available from ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu /PC/Windows/Mosaic and the WinSockets are in /PC/Windows/Mosaic/sockets. Which one you need depends on your access and equipment. Mosaic requires a SLIP or PPP account.
Lynx, I know little to nothing about...
One of these days, I've got to snag Linux... I'm seriously tempted to buy the CD-Rom distribution of Slackware Professional 2.0. At $49.95, it beats hours of downloading...
Blain Nelson
John Hinkley -- Lynx and Mosaic are WWW browsers. Lynx is for a vt100 terminal, and Mosaic is for a SLIP/PPP connection and includes all sorts of wonderful things like graphics, moving pictures, and sounds if your machine can handle them. I prefer Lynx most of the time because it doesn't have to take the time to d/l all the graphics that Mosaic does, but Mosaic is a lot prettier. I don't know where you can find them, but you can hit your sysadmin up to get Lynx at any rate.
Mail lists are like newsgroups except that they are sent to individual e-mail addresses rather than to a site. So you might find multiple subscribers to a given list on a given system, each being sent their own copy of each message, while the system would only receive one copy each of messages posted to newsgroups. There are many many mail lists on all kinds of topics that you can subscribe to. I'm currently on a recovery list that is in digest form (everyone mails their stuff to the list owner who puts them all together into one big file that he mails to all the subscribers), several church related lists with widely varying traffic amounts, a classical studies list, and a list that sends me a word and its definition every day. There are lists for music groups, computers, motorcycles, comics, and virtually anything else you can think of. Some allow you to subscribe yourself by sending mail to the list server, others are hand maintained.
It's a pretty broad area, and there are thousands of lists.
Alpha Wolf
2f: Linux? Hmmm...
When i get 4 more megs of RAM, and 500 more megs of HD, Then i'll consider it.. :)
until then i can only wish at being my own Admin. :)
golden spud
MontyL> I tried a friend's copy of yggdrasil Linux (Fall 1993) and it worked pretty well. Didn't want to waste the time or space with it, though, so I deleted it, and changed the 40 meg partition that I made for it into a HPFS partition for OS/2. When I get a bigger hard drive though, I'll bet I have Linux installed in no time at all.
Cave Bear
:MontyL, Do you have a number for that Linux CD-Rom distribution (Slackware Professional 2.0)? If you do, would you please post it. I am seriously giving consideration to switching over to unix on a file server and would appreciate your help. TYIA.
MontyL
Cave Bear> Slackware Professional Linux 2.0 CD, 220 page manual and installation guide, complete source code and 90 days of free technical support, all for only $49.95. To orcder, call Acc Bookstore @ (800) 546-7274, FAX orders to (516) 889-8665.
Can be run directly from the CD-ROM, uses as little as 8MB of disk space. Built-in TCP/IP support, write and compile C and C++, use the X-Window system, and much, much more.
GS> Any chance I could borrow that from you for a while? I'm curious, and would enjoy having another project to play with... :)
StraitJacket
I know a place with unlimited PPP for $25 no setup fee.
StraitJacket
Oh and I have seen the linux cd-rom for $20 Place in ballard, not sure exactly where. Check out ftp.cdrom.com
john hinkley
so Blain>
where can i get a list of mailing lists and addresses to mail
to to subscribe??? also does anyone know of a way to get
newsgroups? i have an account on a basic unix dial up terminal
here called phoenix.
Cave Bear
:MontyL> Thanks Sir. I'll order it Monday. Much appreciated
Twoflower
try rn, trn, nn (all newsgroup readers.)
you kinda have to know where to e-mail to get on mailing lists. posting in an appropriate newgroup would probably get you mailing list addresses.
Blain Nelson
If your provider has usenet access (not everyone does) try nn or trn or rn (in that order). If your provider doesn't have usenet access, you can try getting on the laUNChpad, by telnetting to lambada.unc.edu and typing "launch" at the login. They give you access to every newsgroup they can find, including stupid alt ones that no one carries. If you do this, your best bet is to manipulate your .newsrc to unsubscribe to everything (otherwise you're subscribed to like 3000+ newsgroups) and then specifically go to whatever newsgroups you want to read. I would suggest you add news.answers, misc.answers, news.lists at least for starters.
I don't remember where the list of mail lists is kept. I think you may be able to ftp a copy from rtfm.mit.edu in the usenet area under news.lists, but I'm not sure. It gets posted to news.lists every month or so.
StraitJacket
Has anyone seen a host program to allow access to the WWW through RIP? Wouldn't that work?
Cave Bear
I need to know if a copy of a unix cit exists and if so, where can I obtain a copy. I am switching cbl.sea off soon and will be running linux off of a 1.6 gig 486 file server. I would very much like to offer cit free but if I cannot then I will have no choice but to become an internet 'provider.' (yuk)
I've looked at x windows with it's tcp/ip gui and cal berkley system v and solaris 2.0 all of which would support a unix style cit but I know of no unix cit in existence. If indeed it does exist I need to see/know if it supports korn shelling (syntax sh and csh), pattern-matching syntax, vi and ex commands, troff, sdb and dbx.
MontyL
Let me know what you think of it, Cave Bear. I'm seriously thinking that direction, myself...
StraitJacket> Who and where? (the $25 SLIP)
Elisabeth Perrin
Who's got the best rates for SLIP in the Seattle calling area?
Freejack
MontyL & Cave Bear - that Slackware Professional Linux 2.0 CD can be had for
$34.95 + shipping from COMPUTREND PRODUCTS... phone is (914) 339-5719 their
fax is (914) 339-1871. same package as listed here previously.
golden spud
StraightJacket> that could possibly work. However, RIP is limited to EGA resolution, EGA palette size, and EGA palette selection. But it might just work. If there are WWW clients that work in Text mode, one could possibly be written to use RIP graphics to an extent.
Blain Nelson
John Hinkley -- the list of Mail Lists is in /pub/usenet-by-groups/news.lists on rtfm.mit.edu.
Captain James T Kirk
Colin>> example of a mailing list is that Top Ten list i used to have Citadel grab from my unix account...
There's a hypertext (searchable, etc) list of lists out there somewhere... the World Wide Web Worm (WWWW) can find it for you...
on the newsreaders>
personally, i like trn better than nn... as trn is threaded... and generally faster... but it's one of those personal preference things..
Captain James T Kirk
Halcyon SLIP/PPP accounts are around $25/month... (with the student discount...which everyone seems to get...)... or, for one $25 fee you can use TIA to emulate a SLIP account...
Flying Wombat
Date: 7 Oct 1994 05:59:49 -0400
Panel Backs Post Unit on Internet Address
By Elizabeth Corcoran, Washington Post Staff Writer
Score one for trademarked names in the tug-of-war over electronic addresses on the Internet computer network.
By late tonight, those who send electronic mail to the address "kaplan.com" will reach the Kaplan Educational Centers in New York. A week ago, such mail would have wound up in the offices of Kaplan's rival educational testing company, the Princeton Review.
An independent arbitration panel ruled Tuesday that the Review had to surrender "kaplan.com" to trademark owner Kaplan, which is a subsidiary of The Washington Post Co. No damages or fees were awarded.
The decision is believed to be the first independent ruling on the issue of who has the right to use what address on the Internet. Arbitration rulings are seldom cited as legal precedents. But the decision carries credibility because it was made by neutral legal authorities.
Approving Internet addresses is the job of a tiny government-funded group called InterNIC in Herndon. Those who want an address apply and propose one; if the address has not been assigned to someone else, InterNIC typically grants the request.
But as companies have begun to see the Internet as a potential commercial thoroughfare, electronic addresses have taken on more cachet. Four months ago, Kaplan threatened to sue the Princeton Review to try to get back the "kaplan.com" address, which InterNIC had awarded to the Review. The two companies then agreed to submit the issue to arbitration.
"Our attitude right along was that this was a prank," said John Katzman, founder and president of Princeton Review. "And it made a point: that Kaplan's 'vision' consists of copying what we do."
Kaplan officials were not amused. "We needed our brand name as we looked at new ways of delivering our curriculum products on the Internet," said Jonathan Grayer, chief executive of Kaplan. Grayer hopes that Kaplan will start offering some diagnostic tests, information on admissions and other products on the Internet by the end of the year. 02:26 10-07C9999-----
golden spud
Monty> I gave it back. Don't want to play around with it with only a 40 meg partition.
Slayer
StraightJacket> That sounds like a good idea, but I haven't heard of anything like it before. It might work. Why don't you try to write something?
Cave Bear
MontyL> I'll certainly keep in touch. I've picked up the 1.6gig drive today, ordered the Linux-Pro CD (full featured) and am under way to do the incorporation on one of my other computers to set it all up running Mosaic under X Windows. The people you recommended informed me that a newer version would be out next month and that I have free unlimited tech support for one year, which alone is worth the $47.00 If this winds up being worthwhile I may switch over to either Solaris 2.0 or Sun Systems V, we'll see. Thanks again for the number.
Helix Quark
sun? hmm ... only reason to do that would be the OO they got from NeXT.
MontyL
Darn. At least I tried, GS... ;)
Luck be with you, Cave Bear. And may the fair winds be always at your back.
Twoflower
There are several unix-based Citadels around...
try telnetting to quartz.rutgers.edu and logging in as "bbs." this will take you to a (rather featureless) unix cit.
golden spud
Cave Bear> I have a program called UniDel (I believe) but it's basically just a room-based interface for USENET news. Don't think you'd want it.
Sky Surfer
I downloaded UUDECODE and UUENCODE for Email Binary transfers, but they don't seem to be very friendly. Do I need another program to use them, or is there an even better program out there that I should be aware of??
scorpio
telnet to shadow.ac.iit.edu
it's pretty sad...
john hinkley
thanks for help everyboyd
Elisabeth Perrin
Sky Surfer: use Wincode. It's the best.
Wolfgang
I second that motion.
Slayer
Surfer> Are you using them on a UNIX? If so, you need to pipe the output to the file you want to make. Just type "man uuencode", and it will tell you how to do it. Put anything for the output file, it won't matter. Just put the ">" pipe into the textfile you want. The DOS versions are extremely straightforward.
Black Adder
Does anyone know what happened to Connected Inc.? It's been dead for weeks....
Alpha Wolf
I think some hacker shut down the net link that Connected had to CA...
or something..
Gravity
Heyla, being from Tacoma, I'm looking for someone to net with via Internet, and I was pointed in the direction of this room. So, if anyone wants to net a couple of rooms (I have a very limited system), I'd really appreciate someone leaving me some mail here at the Raft.
Additionally, I was told there was a Script that would automate the uuenconding and sending mail packets, and I was wondering if someone could get it to me at canucks@homer.washington.edu. Thanks. :)
Joe Carrasquillo
Thanks golden spud (I'm the former cave bear) but I'm going to try (and I mean seriously) X Windows and Mosaic via Linux 2.0 which is installing right now in the other computer. I had no idea this thing was so robust.
MontyL
Say the word, Gravity, and we can start when you're ready. BKM.BLI - via montyl@horizon.wa.com
Are we having any fun yet? ;)
And, I'll mail the script to you. Look for it!
MontyL
Mailed, Gravity. Looking forward to your reply.
Gravity
Monty: I'll have to go find it now. Thanks. :)
Gravity
MontyL: I'll have to go find it now. Thanks. :)
StraitJacket
I am too busy with putting up news at work...
I can net with anyone via internet. All you need is Pine and a transfer protocol (Like z-modem) at your end. No uuencodeing required. Leave me e-mail at
str8jkt@compumedia.com
If you are interested. ( I am currently set to net with LNZ. and it's working fine.)
I can get PPP (Like slip but newer) accounts for $25 no time limits, Call 623-8065 for more details. (Shameless plug.) (Dialins are $15 NTL)
ZooKeeper
Gravity -- honest, he answers to either Monty or MontyL. and sometimes to "Hey You!"
:>
Blain Nelson
I've added the Extended EFF Guide to the Internet in html format to my www pages.
Unfortunately, I'm still not connected to the server, so I don't have a url. When I do, I'll let you folks know.
FuzzyWuzzy
If anyone wants to net with LNZ throught the Internet my
pbeau@horizon.wa.com, send me some E-Mail and I will think about it.
MontyL
Huh? Somebody looking for me? ;)
Gravity
ZooKeeper> I feel really stupid now... I forget that (a) It's not my board I'm posting on, and (b) It's networked... I killed my original message (the Monty one) on the Raft and then reposted it saying MontyL, but unbeknownst to myself, my first message had already netted out... so I apologize now for that sorta duplicate. :)
MontyL
StraitJacket> You're using the file-attach feature?
Easy
I tried to get on Internet with the 5 or 6 hours of free time, but they make you fill everything out and THEN tell you you need to have a credit card to get on the system with free period test run...... Anyone else run into this?? And will they let you pay by checking account monthly like some other networks let you do. Let me know. I am interested in getting onto Internet.
Joe Carrasquillo
stick around Easy.
MontyL
Making sure that they have the bases covered is a common occurance, Easy. If you're not willing to give the info, they're not willing to let you play with their toys. Giving away free time to anyone that isn't capable or willing to subscribe is counter-productive.
It's called "qualifying" the subscriber.
Sky Surfer
Slayer> Thanks, man. That answers it. I eventually got it working using that theory of piping. I'm on the search for wincode right now.
Captain James T Kirk
Blain>> i have a URL... but i havn't gotten around to writing anything... all you'll find at my url is a little test page...
Flying Wombat
it also puts the lie to advertising of "no obligation free trial"... once they have your credit card (or bank account #), it isn't necessarily easy to cancel without hassle.
ZooKeeper
Gravity --dontcha hate that?
and don't worry about it, I was just giving you a bad time about it.
honest. :>
Blain Nelson
CJTK -- I was just getting ready to check that url too.
I have my url, and I'll be publicizing it probably next week.
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