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Joan Vermin
whos the good whos the bad
john hinkley
i am the good you are the bad.
now read that statement fromk your perspective...doesnt it all
make sense?
Joan Vermin
yes. but i believe they are no good and bads. good and stupids, maybe.,
john hinkley
oh its the same fucking thing why are there always these games
surrounding everything?
and yes fuck me for being such an asshole.
john hinkley
hard to not give up.
some would call it impossible.
i fit in that category.
john hinkley
watched jacobs ladder today.
heavy on meaning.
Spur
yeah, the stupid is as bad as the bad gets.
Joan Vermin
well. i disagree. stupid and bad mean soemthing different to me, sorry if it's different for you, colin. I don
t recall saying "colin thinks..."
john hinkley
okay so tell me what you mean when you say there is
ONLY goods and stupids. isnt stupid pretty damm close
to bad?
dont they have, in effect, virtually the same meaning? in THIS
context.
Joan Vermin
didnt mean "only" i was referring to a question i had to answer in my lat. america class.
stupid is not at all close to "bad" to me. i said earlier that I DONT BELIEVE IN GOOD OR BAD. That means exactly what it said. someone has been distorting what i am saying. i mean nothing more then that.
Spur
i feel pretty sure that thats just what youd like to believe. i doubt you honestly, deepwithinyourheart have no judgements of good/bad.
shane
this is all crap
john hinkley
correct.
i think deep down nothing is good or bad. we have immediate reactions and those say 'good' or 'bad' but when you get down
to it EVERYTHING is just 'there'.
hard to get past the immediate reactions cause they cause an
emotion or two, you know?
shane
humans apply "bad" to the things they are too stupid to find the good in.
Joan Vermin
alright. you're right, i do apply good and bad, such as "oh that tastes bad" or "oh, touch me again right there, frank".
i meant people, really. there are stupid people (buttrocker jock prep etc) that i dont like, but they -dont intend "bad things.-
cuz, isnt a "bad" action just an action that is good to the "bad person"?
john hinkley
no.
sometimes you get caught up in shit but thats a totally different
subject.
people break their own morals all the time.
nothing inherently wrong with jocks preps or buttrockers.
shane
the only bad thing is a generalization.
see, i just made a greatly bad one
Joan Vermin
you didnt catch at all what i mean, colin. i MEANT that there wasnt anything "inherently wrong" with jocks or preps or buttrockers. i meant that there ISNT anything wrong with them.
from my view, they are the "bad guy" because they are mean to me and i dont like them. i am the "bad guy" to them. no one can say which one is the bad guy, because they both have the exact same motives. black and white contrast eachother, neither one can destroy the other when mixed, it turns grey. niether is going to "win" neither is "good" or "bad". thats what i mean when i say there are no goods and bads.
america wants to take over countryB. countryB wants to take over countryC. America wants to 'help' countryB by not letting them become Communist. CountryB doesnt want to be communist. neither is "right". America thinks that countryB is resisting and destroys them anyway. countryB kills americans because they are the bad guy to them. america kills countryB people because they are the bad guy to them. neither is right. one might "win"... whatever that means. but you cant say who's the "bad guy".
i suppose the woman being raped by the man doesnt mean the man isnt bad for doing so. I think in those cases, that are one sided there is a moral bad. but the "bad guy" is just trying to get off (NOT JUSTIFYING HIM). yes, he gets off and achieves what he wants. a woman is severely hurt because of his actions. to us, he's bad. his intentions for himself, however were good, even though what he did was bad.
i agree people change their morals. i do. i will before this conversation is over, because someone always has a better idea then me. but all the same, right now in a two-sided situation, i believe there are no goods and bads.
something created by society.
Spur
i abort all rationality, it exists only in the back of my head, and insist that you are the bad guy. subjectivism works, but only in my favor.
Spur
sung to the old shasta theme song: i wanna fuck i wanna kill i wanna cry i wanna die
Joan Vermin
dont you see? god, im so misunderstood <bawl> hahaha., who knows what i am talking aboutyt. i dont.
john hinkley
society does not create the connotation of good or bad. society
maybe creates the words. you could be leaving isolated and shit
would still be good or bad.
but that is all cause i believe in perceptivism. if somebody is
bad in my eyes then they ARE bad right? and i AM bad in someboyd
else's eyes. of course it doesnt really matter. everything does
bleed to grey in the end. see, society is the one that *TAKES AWAY*
the connotation of good and bad, not adds it. as an individual
*I* decide what is good or bad. when placed in society, there is
too many conflicting interestes and PCism etc etc and therefore
good and bad bleed to grey.
"WE AW LIVING IN A SOCIETY, HERE! A SAWCIETY!"
Joan Vermin
which is sorta what i was saying. that you cant tell me whats bad because i percieve soemthing different, and often i have a neutral view. but most "bad" acts are good for the person acting upon it. i am not sure what you are saying about your feeling bad effecting society.. but im sure youre right whatever it is.
Spur
fine, theres something to be said for going, oh, i understand why you did it, you arent intentionally malicious, its someplace most people never get to, but theres something to be said for going, fuck you, i dont like what youre doing, get the fuck out of my face
Joan Vermin
i agree. i get angry and think people are bad all the time. i guess no one is going to get what i am saying, if they havnt gotten it so far. its not worth repeating yet anotehr time.
Prick
this conversation should have ended weeks ago
Joan Vermin
it didnt start two weeks ago.
Spur
three weeks then
Prick
just fucking stop it
Joan Vermin
it started a week ago
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john hinkley
it should have stopped yes.
im just saying if you think something is bad then it is.
cause everythign is based on perceptoin. i may think its good
so in essence it is good because its MY WORLD and i dont believe
your world right?
Joan Vermin
alright, you believe what you will, i wasnt trying to enforce anything upon your beliefs. i was explaining mine... no one understood... next subject please.
Prick
yes, very good. everybody but me is guilty of something, next subject please
Spur
and me, me too, right?
Prick
yeah ok
Joan Vermin
hey.
john hinkley
okay its great how every room we end up; stop talking about the
subject to protect all of our feelings because we find it necessary
not to be honest with all 99% of the time so then we stop taling
period there wont be a next topic. thats crap. except this time.
Joan Vermin
we = I ?
Spur
pain or honesty, thats the shit.
john hinkley
no we does not equal just you, sunday but of course you are included
as one in the collective we; give me *some* credit.
thats how it works. pain IS honesty though and thats why its
ALL LIES! thats we its always ignored. too much goes unsaid
and i participate.
john hinkley
we all do most of the time
Spur
i mean, pain or lies. theres somewhere between where everybody lies, on the continuum. (great word, love the spelling, two us in a row.) either youre honest and you fuck everything up or else you shut up/lie and things go along smoothly, except it doesnt work that way. shit. nevermind.
john hinkley
either you are honest and you fuck everything up but thigns go
smoother for you. necessary evil. lying doesnt make it go smooth.
as you said.
Joan Vermin
colin: i meant "i" as in you not me.
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john hinkley
no its not just me its everyone that is why i said
we. implying the four of us which we usually does
on this bbs not implying just myself in which case
the word i would be substituted.
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Joan Vermin
alright, i didnt meant anutjing badby it.
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