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#167492 49 Wed Sep 28 20:44:11 1994 JayDee @ Loka, sea
I just want the os to work good and not be a slug, esp. with dosapps going
#168806 49 Fri Sep 30 04:00:02 1994 uncle herb ['erblink 202.667.7335] @ Outsider's, Takoma Park, MD, US/MD/MONTGOMERY
what about os-2?
#167711 49 Fri Sep 30 08:55:58 1994 StraitJacket @ The Asylum, Seattle, U.S.A.
I am looking forward to Windows 4.2 (at least.) As WIRED says: "the new version of Microsoft's Windows operating system, currently called Chicago, seems to be in the news more than it's municipal namesake. Breathless reports, pushing the edge of non-disclosure agreements, seem to come out daily. What makes this so remarkable is how unremarkable the Chicago OS is. While it rectifies many of the glaring limitations of previous versions (8-character file names, 16 bit operation) it makes no real strides in OS technology. And, if it is anything like other Microsoft releases, it is still chock-full of bugs. When is Microsoft going to use it's resources to do something revolutionary?" - Wired 2.10 Seems he hit the nail on the head that time.
#168804 49 Fri Sep 30 10:30:48 1994 Steve Porter @ MixEd ReaLity, MerpVille
Quick Point ; It's Offically Now Called Windows '95 And It Sucks... (Offical Microsoft Beta Tester)
#168805 49 Fri Sep 30 23:13:42 1994 JayDee @ Loka, sea
it is going to be a call-generator PSS is gonna have a whole lot of fun
#168807 49 Sat Oct 1 04:20:03 1994 John @ Saltlick Of Desire, Seattle, USA/WA/KING
Wired is stupid.
#168808 49 Sat Oct 1 04:35:18 1994 Livia @ Amber, Bellevue, US/WA/KING
how would you know, straitjacket? are you a beta tester?
#168811 49 Sat Oct 1 10:20:23 1994 StraitJacket @ The Asylum, Seattle, U.S.A.
I am just looking at the track record of Microsquish. dos 4.0 6.0 win 3.0. I don't think they have ever released anything that didn't require an almost immediate fix. and some things just havn't been worth the trouble. Wasn't Chicago to be released around august? Do they even have Beta's yet? what alpha build are they on now? 200? 300? F#ck it... I will just go to unix for windows. I like X.
#168810 49 Sat Oct 1 14:22:58 1994 JayDee @ Loka, sea
idealistic fools ...not stupid
#168809 49 Sat Oct 1 14:51:37 1994 John @ Saltlick Of Desire, Seattle, USA/WA/KING
Wired wants a desktop operating system running in four megs with heaps of compatability requirements to make "strides in OS technology"? See, they're stupid.
#168816 49 Sat Oct 1 16:07:13 1994 uncle herb ['erblink 202.667.7335] @ Outsider's, Takoma Park, MD, US/MD/MONTGOMERY
Its funny how many underemployed programmers like to spend time griping about Microsoft. Sure, Windows isn't perfect, but if it weren't for them, computers would still be either 1) Macs, or 2) the domain of propellerhead geeks. Or is that what you want?
#168812 49 Sun Oct 2 02:03:59 1994 John @ Saltlick Of Desire, Seattle, USA/WA/KING
You're not looking at anything, StraitJacket, or you'd know Microsoft didn't even write MS-DOS 4.0. Duh. Additionally, Win 3.0 didn't require an "almost immediate fix". It was a mainstay for quite a while.
#168813 49 Sun Oct 2 07:57:45 1994 Elisabeth Parren @ Saltlick Of Desire, Seattle, USA/WA/KING
Chicago has been in Beta for quite a while. That's why the ship date has been pushed back so much farther. User feedback. MS wants to release an acceptable product. Acceptable to Windows users of course, not you and John Dvorak. Win 3.0 was revolutionary to the PC world. Why, because Microsoft wrote it. Of course there had been previous gooeys and previous multi-tasking. Did they always work? No. Did the mishmash of OEM software work together seamlessly if at all? No. Most important, did they have the market strength to push a product to make the multi-tasking GUI a standard for other people to write software for? No. That's why Win3 was a revolution to the PC desktop. It brought together the pieces of what a budding future operating system should be and was then pushed by a company that has the strength to push it as the standard. Win95 will bring about the same revolution on a grander scale; but not until it's ready, otherwise they fulfill the prophecies of people like you.
#168817 49 Sun Oct 2 09:48:28 1994 StraitJacket @ The Asylum, Seattle, U.S.A.
Still worthless (win 3.0) I didn't know about ms-dos 4.12 too well, I thought the MS stood for micro squ\\oft. and that 4.0 ras a release versoin fixxed by 4.12 (Which still sucked). Xwindows ran on my machine in 4 megs, no problem... (it runs on my 6 megs fine now as well.) Unix (IMNSHO) is much better at MT than dos or windowz. (I would rather run apps under 6 virt screens at a command line than under windows. Too many windows clutter my screen anyway.)
#168814 49 Sun Oct 2 12:22:11 1994 JayDee @ Loka, sea
it takes a giant to build a giant project and put the oompf behind it to get it to the marketplace, and running on the boxes Windows has transformed the workplace dramatically since it was introduced it has enabled users to utilize computers, perform their work, and cut cost of business operations so that the efficiency needed in today's business enviornments is being realized...which equates to keeping the cost of food on the table, a decent car in the garage, and other consumer goods, down a lot of users I know couldn't relate to a cli, and were not capable of using one, but when Windows was released, they were able to use computers and get jobs that got them off welfare...and changed their lives forever for the better a project with the scope that Chicago has, is going to have problems, but it will be probably the most-tested and wrung-out product to be released into consumer channels ever, and Microsoft has the resources to do just that the seamless integration and operation of applications, whether they are Microsoft products or not, has been the goal...and I have seen it running in the near future, third-party developers/vendors will be integrating their applications into the Windows enviornment, and the combinations will take the capability of desktop computers/mainframes to modes of operation and efficiencies that will make, literally, dreams come true, and change this world, in many respects, into a better place to work and live in, for all how does that grab-ya? or, would you rather hang in the Stone Age?
#168815 49 Sun Oct 2 19:57:11 1994 John @ Saltlick Of Desire, Seattle, USA/WA/KING
People can bitch if they want to. I just shudder when I wonder what I might be doing if Windows hadn't dominated the desktop market. Maybe some other product would have. But more likely, we'd be mired in a protracted OS battle. And so much more of my time would be sunk in stupid compatability and cross-platform issues.
#168819 49 Sun Oct 2 22:18:02 1994 JayDee @ Loka, sea
...<yaawn>
#168818 49 Sun Oct 2 22:32:30 1994 John @ Saltlick Of Desire, Seattle, USA/WA/KING
Yeah, Herb. These are the same ones who insist that code speed and size is really the only standard worth considering.
#169308 49 Tue Oct 4 08:52:51 1994 StraitJacket @ The Asylum, Seattle, U.S.A.
Uncle herb: I am an Employed programmer. And I still like to gripe about windowz and dos... BECAUSE I am a programmer.
#169543 49 Tue Oct 4 16:57:38 1994 [take a hit with] kid kangaroo [@WSU.TAKE.A.TOKE] @ HeLL, Pullman, US/WA/Whitman
what great strides were you thinking of?
#170691 49 Sat Oct 8 05:56:17 1994 uncle herb ['erblink 202.667.7335] @ Outsider's, Takoma Park, MD, US/MD/MONTGOMERY
Strait, as long as you're honest about it and recognize it as inconsequential bellyaching.
#170690 49 Sat Oct 8 09:27:40 1994 StraitJacket @ The Asylum, Seattle, U.S.A.
Oh well.... no chance of anyone getting windows 4. Windows 4 will never exist.... A nice thing except for one thing.... They are going to call it Windows 95 instead. Like that will make it any better.... For $30 I might give it a try.
#170777 49 Sun Oct 9 11:01:10 1994 StraitJacket @ The Asylum, Seattle, U.S.A.
I know it is... I just want to gripe about something.
#173545 49 Fri Oct 14 05:18:33 1994 Monster Dog @ Outsider's, Takoma Park, MD, US/MD/MONTGOMERY
I spent all of last week at a conference in DC, called Software Development East '94. Any of you programmers out there should recognize the name from all the ads that have been in the trade magazines, like Dr Dobbs Journal, Software Development Magazine, Windows/Dos Developers' Journal, C/C++ Users' Journal, etc. Hey, guess what people? Windows is, like it or not, here to stay. If you want to stay current with the technology that is out there in the IS world, you better learn to write applications for Windows, specifically 32 bit Windows like Win 95 or Win NT 3.5. And I recommend that you learn how to do it in C++. That's where the industry is headed, and where it will stay for at least the next couple of years. Do I think Microsoft is the best OS developer out there? Not by a long shot. But look at market share. I know where the big bucks are in software, and right now, those big bucks involve getting the Windows '95 logo on your product when it's shrink-wrapped. Bitch about the quality of Microsoft products all you want, and keep writing code for your Unix boxes and your way-cool NeXT Step machines. Then, in about three years, you and the former CICS Cobol geeks can have something to talk about after you ask your last customer, "would you like ketchup with those fries, sir?"
#173546 49 Fri Oct 14 07:47:51 1994 uncle herb ['erblink 202.667.7335] @ Outsider's, Takoma Park, MD, US/MD/MONTGOMERY
Right on, MD. It's the mass market that ultimately determines which software is good and which isn't, not the propellerheads. If a product doesn't sell, it's not good software -- regardless of how cleverly written it is. By the way, what does it take to set up a simple net? I've got a computer in my bedroom and one in my kitchen, and I want to link them.
#173547 49 Fri Oct 14 17:24:59 1994 Nathan Bedford Forrest @ Outsider's, Takoma Park, MD, US/MD/MONTGOMERY
What geex.
#173548 49 Fri Oct 14 20:47:06 1994 Saint Bob @ Outsider's, Takoma Park, MD, US/MD/MONTGOMERY
Computer in your kitchen? Ack...
#172698 49 Sun Oct 16 22:56:43 1994 [I've been missing] The Linkman [but I shall return!] @ Fred's Toy, Bothell, FRE @TLC
would anyone care for some tcpip utils for winsock? (for those without access to internet?!?!? :)
#173198 49 Mon Oct 17 15:34:10 1994 Helix Quark @ Arlecchino Malbenvolio, University District, US/WA/KING/SEA
no thanks. I've got plenty of access.
#173549 49 Wed Oct 19 03:47:08 1994 Torch Song @ Twilight Voice, City in the Clouds, US/WA/WHATCOM
The computer in our kitchen doesn't have Windows on it...not enough RAM... But the ones in the bedroom, the living room, and the travel trailer do!
#173867 49 Wed Oct 19 11:10:24 1994 Lab Rat @ The Laboratory, sea
herb > "simple net"? Just a serial cable, man. End-to-end, viola. Heck, W4W will do direct networking 'cross one of those links. Printers, drives, etc. no guarantee on speed though.
#173945 49 Wed Oct 19 22:42:41 1994 MontyL @ Black Mountain, Kendall, US/WA/Whatcom
Two machines, herb, can be done using InterLink, which comes with MS-DOS, from version 5 (on the supplemental disk), on up (now included in the standard distribution). It uses a 9-wire serial link, so it's not the fastest thing in the world, but it works. Biggest snag is that the "Server" isn't usable while the other is sharing (bad term, obviously) drives with it. Better yet is DriveMap, in PCTools V9.0, which uses the same serial (or parallel, like InterLink can) hookup, but allows both machines to be used while the link is active. Which brings to a close my personal experience in the matter, shy of using Arcnet or Ethernet cards...
#174541 49 Thu Oct 20 08:42:39 1994 [
eGot to move on sometime] Twilight Eyes [
eAnd it's about time...] @ This Twilight Garden, The Purple Hour, US/WA/KING
ask helix. he's geek enough to net his computers together in the same room for no reason. (oh, wait, I have my computers netted together to play doom. ignore that.)
#174303 49 Thu Oct 20 21:08:52 1994 MontyL @ Black Mountain, Kendall, US/WA/Whatcom
I didn't even ponder that, Lab Rat... What's the trick to it?
#174538 49 Fri Oct 21 00:25:27 1994 Ren @ The Institute, Sacramento, US/CA/SACRAMENTO
What's about Windows 95?
#175215 49 Fri Oct 21 03:52:23 1994 Helix Quark @ Arlecchino Malbenvolio, University District, US/WA/KING/SEA
HA! try and pin it one me will you?! hell, pretty soon I may have more than just two netting ...
#174539 49 Fri Oct 21 04:01:40 1994 Livia @ Amber, Bellevue, US/WA/KING
what about it?
#174540 49 Fri Oct 21 05:51:05 1994 JayDee @ Loka, sea
come on, you can tell it has been released to the pubelick, hasn't it?
#175638 49 Fri Oct 21 06:39:19 1994 [
eGot to move on sometime] Twilight Eyes [
eAnd it's about time...] @ This Twilight Garden, The Purple Hour, US/WA/KING
Oh no. The horror. (You and someone else with a 486 should come over so we can play doom 4 ways.)
#174542 49 Fri Oct 21 07:05:14 1994 JayDee @ Loka, sea
fack... I net mine to learn netting how stupid of me
#175475 49 Fri Oct 21 16:04:13 1994 Helix Quark @ Arlecchino Malbenvolio, University District, US/WA/KING/SEA
nope. not yet. beta 2.
#174295 49 Fri Oct 21 18:25:48 1994 Captain James T Kirk
9-wire serial link? how does one accomplish such a thing? i can see a 4 or 5 wire link... (ground, send, recieve, and two for flow control...) but nine?
#175214 49 Fri Oct 21 21:34:32 1994 MontyL @ Black Mountain, Kendall, US/WA/Whatcom
Caught me there, CJTK. 7-lines, not nine. Only three are needed by InterLink, unless you need to use the remote copy feature. DriveMap uses all seven of the available i/o lines. CD and RI are not used. RXD, TXD, DTR, DSR, RTS, and CTS are the six available data lines, then include GND. I stand corrected. :)
#176989 49 Sun Oct 23 02:06:37 1994 Lab Rat @ The Laboratory, sea
Monty > My God. My assumption was completely incorrect. I had always assumed that MicroBrain had provided serial network drivers. They have not. They have... no brains. I just went to install a network driver, hoping to see "serial port link" and maybe even a "parallel port link", but... fuckin'-a, there ain't none there. I guess you can't network with serial lines, easily, with W4WG. What an idiotic problem. how completely spastic. I am so glad I'm switching to Linux.
#176887 49 Mon Oct 24 01:22:02 1994 John @ Saltlick Of Desire, Seattle, USA/WA/KING
Run whatever you want, you kook. But what is InterLink for?
#177229 49 Mon Oct 24 07:45:22 1994 JayDee @ Loka, sea
InterLink is lame WFW is cool I said so so-be-it
#177228 49 Mon Oct 24 09:39:11 1994 Don Glover the younger @ Blind Man's Bluff, Kirkland, WA, USA
I have been using interlnk to do some stuff, but I have run into a problem. I can get the 'host' machine to say it is sharing the cdrom but I can nto get the cleint machine to read the cdrom. Anyone have any ideas on this?
#177230 49 Mon Oct 24 10:54:02 1994 [the mighty] Goltar [Yet Another Shane Jonhson] @ The Raft, Seattle, WA, US
did you all this trick load your game "while using ms-windows" then press alt+tab it will bring up your program manager program while in game play just try it i have four games suspended one was not then hit alt-tab switched me to the next game
#177232 49 Mon Oct 24 13:13:51 1994 JayDee @ Loka, sea
I could have told you that, Livia but I know you wouldn't have listened...
#177231 49 Mon Oct 24 14:19:07 1994 Livia @ Amber, Bellevue, US/WA/KING
goltar is such a windows guru
#176510 49 Mon Oct 24 18:31:02 1994 [the mighty] Goltar [Yet Another Shane Jonhson] @ The Raft, Seattle, WA, US
butt are you a sexy butt?
#176509 49 Tue Oct 25 03:09:00 1994 MontyL @ Black Mountain, Kendall, US/WA/Whatcom
Lab Rat> If you configured (without using autodetect) for a network card, then inserted a SLIP driver in its place, would that work? John> InterLink is a file-sharing freebie that came with MS-DOS 5.0 onward, although a few releases have seen it only on the supplemental disk(s). Dirt-cheap drive sharing, via serial or parallel cable, that beats doing the 'floppy-swap' next time you need to move some files around between machines. Don> Sharing a CD-Rom is a little more than InterLink was made for, and since you're stuck at 115,200 bps, none too speedy. (Using a serial link, parallel is quicker, but by how much; I've yet to try it)
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