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#172777 55 Sun Oct 16 23:22:52 1994 [Voyage of the] Flying Wombat @ The Log Cabin, Seattle, WA
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 94 6:10:32 PDT Subject: Girl Jailed For Hiding Diary FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) -- Future victims of child abuse may be afraid to go to authorities because a judge had a 12-year-old girl handcuffed and jailed for refusing to turn over her diary in an abuse case, a victim advocate said. The girl, who accuses her policeman father of molesting her, relented and surrendered her pink diary Thursday, the day after she was jailed for about an hour. Circuit Judge Robert Carney lifted the contempt of court charge when the diary was turned over, then agreed to withdraw from the case after the girl said she was "terrified" of him. "When other children that age read this, if there's abuse going on, it's going to make them reluctant to report it," said Ruth McDonald, administrator at the Phoenix Center, a Broward County sexual assault program. "They may not have a diary, but the message is they'll be further traumatized." The girl had told Carney he could look at the diary in private, but he refused. The new judge will be assigned to the case and reconsider that option, as well as the girl's other motion to have the diary exempted outright. Carney had sentenced the girl to five days in juvenile detention Wednesday but then allowed her to be released after about an hour. "That child has gone through 24 hours of trauma that no one can erase," said her lawyer, Howard Finkelstein. Carney disagreed. "I have done everything in my power to apply kid gloves in this case," Carney said. He likened the incident to a child who "was spanked and now she doesn't like the judge." "This is the first time I can remember someone looking me straight in the eye and refusing a court order," said Carney, a nine-year veteran of the bench. The girl's father, a detective, is not being identified to protect the girl's privacy. He is accused of molesting her five times last year and could get up to seven years in prison on the indecent assault charges. During pretrial interviews, defense lawyers learned of the diary and asked to see it. The girl says it includes nothing about her father's alleged molestation. The defense argues that's a point in favor of his innocence. Carney first ordered the girl to turn over her diary in August, then demanded it again on Oct. 3, and again on Wednesday. "For the third time, I am asking you to produce the diary," Carney said as the girl stood before him with her mother. "No," she said. She was handcuffed and led off, shaking and in tears. "I don't understand," the honors student said before booking. "There's nothing in this diary but little girl thoughts," her lawyer said. "It talks about her friends, her birthday, what she thinks is important." Date: Thu, 13 Oct 94 15:30:46 PDT Subject: Judge who ordered girl to jail leaves abuse case FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (Reuters) - A judge removed himself Thursday from the trial of a police officer accused of sexually molesting his 12-year-old daughter, a day after he ordered the girl to jail for refusing to turn over her diary. Broward County Circuit Judge Robert Carney stepped down in the face of an unusual alliance, as prosecutors and public defenders filed motions asking for his recusal, a public defender said. The girl was taken from the courtroom in tears and handcuffs Wednesday when Carney found her in contempt of court and ordered her to spend five days in a juvenile detention center for refusing three times to hand over her diary. The child was taken to the center and checked in, but the judge later allowed her to go home until lawyers appealed the contempt order. Her father, a Fort Lauderdale police detective whose name is not being used to protect the identity of the child, is charged with five counts of indecent assault on a person under 16, for allegedly fondling his daughter during a six-month period. "She had turned to the adult system for protection from an adult who violated her trust, and the system incarcerated her," said attorney Howard Finkelstein, the public defender who sought Carney's ouster. Finkelstein said the judge's stance had put the case in jeopardy. "This girl was completely traumatized," he said. "She told me she would not walk into that courtroom with that judge again under any circumstances." The child's diary became an issue in the case when defense attorney Michael Dutko learned of its existence during pretrial interviews and asked to see it. The girl has said it includes nothing about her father's alleged crimes. A new judge will be assigned to the case before jury selection resumes, Finkelstein said.
#173667 55 Tue Oct 18 12:12:16 1994 [Princess] Lilith [The Insane] @ 3aThe Ghetto0, 3Shoreline0, 3aJack's Basement0
well that's just great. another example of how our "justice" system supports the wrong-doers. and people wonder why there is so much violent crime. no one wants to take a stand.
#174089 55 Tue Oct 18 14:54:44 1994 Saint Bob @ Desolation Row, Baltimore, MD, US/MD/BALT
Where *is* Ruadh, anyway?
#173668 55 Tue Oct 18 15:52:08 1994 [the very single] LA REINE [is taking applications] @ 3aThe Ghetto0, 3Shoreline0, 3aJack's Basement0
i could never keep a diary when i was little because i was certain that somehow someone would be able to read it. now i see that i was correct. sad, isn't it. kids have such little control over anything. and now it's time to lock up what they think.
#174087 55 Tue Oct 18 20:05:40 1994 [Long Haired,] Virus [Freaked Out.] @ 3aThe Ghetto0, 3Shoreline0, 3aJack's Basement0
I Never Bothered To Keep A Diary/Journal Because I'm Pathologically Lazy.
#173669 55 Tue Oct 18 23:34:13 1994 [No More Words] ZooKeeper [No More Promises...] @ The Zoo, Bellingham, USA/WA/WHATCOM
the courts are so busy making sure they defend everyone so that no one is wrongly punished that they end up punishing the victims. doesn't it just figure?
#173670 55 Wed Oct 19 03:48:30 1994 Torch Song @ Twilight Voice, City in the Clouds, US/WA/WHATCOM
Yet another victim is given excessive reason for not trusting anyone...again. As if being victimized once wasn't enough...
#173834 55 Wed Oct 19 08:15:01 1994 [No More Words] ZooKeeper [No More Promises...] @ The Zoo, Bellingham, USA/WA/WHATCOM
I had one, but it was creatively hidden.
#173835 55 Wed Oct 19 10:51:59 1994 JayDee @ Loka, sea
seen that... it has taken Tamsen over three years to just "recover" and the list of victims didn't stop with her her mom took the gaff, as well
#174407 55 Wed Oct 19 20:08:45 1994 [No More Words] ZooKeeper [No More Promises...] @ The Zoo, Bellingham, USA/WA/WHATCOM
the list of victims *never* ends with just the victim. there's family, friends, future friends, future SO's, even present/future bosses/coworkers in extreme cases. 'course, the same can be said for perps, and has been... damn
#174088 55 Wed Oct 19 20:10:55 1994 JayDee @ Loka, sea
the perps can fuck off, and die, as far as I am concerned
#174408 55 Thu Oct 20 16:04:39 1994 [I have come from Isles] GB [to say hello.] @ 3aThe Ghetto0, 3Shoreline0, 3aJack's Basement0
Wow. Only 7 years for molesting someone 5 times... that seems very light to me...
#175784 55 Thu Oct 20 21:44:19 1994 Saint Bob @ Desolation Row, Baltimore, MD, US/MD/BALT
I kept a journal in my teens. My mom & her boyfriend were pissed at me for something & went through my room... found it, and I got in trouble for what they read in it. They didn't have souls, so they skipped the soul-poetry, which would've revealed a hell of a lot more than what they punished me for, which was getting pulled over for doing 70 in a 35 zone (wasted) at 2AM after the 4th of July. I was so blinded I didn't see the cops until there were five of them behind me. If they would've read about what went on the night of the tent party... or read between the lines of my hallucination poetry... I probably would've been hospitalized. Journals are the best self-therapy there is. Parents reading them can learn alot about their childrens' minds; parents acting on what they read can destroy a child's trust. Perhaps this is a good thing. I'm glad to have had my trust destroyed, in a way. The world is a cold place. I don't *want* to trust anyone.
#175785 55 Fri Oct 21 10:53:19 1994 Lady Non Sequitur @ Outsider's, Takoma Park, MD, US/MD/MONTGOMERY
My Mom never understood why I compulsively wrote things down -- then again, she often never saw what I was writing -- but when I was in college, and engaging in behaviors she couldn't understand (I was never myself until I left the hick town I grew up where I didn't have to behave because she was a schoolteacher) -- I came home for Christmas and found in my old room a notebook of mine. She'd gone into my room when I was at college, worried about me, and remembered how I used to write things out, and she'd done the same. I cried reading it, she'd had to support four-five kids singlehandedly so long we'd never really had a chance to be particularly close, and all at once I felt I knew her better than I ever had before.
#175305 55 Fri Oct 21 16:17:04 1994 Blain Nelson @ Blain's World (not!) BBS, Ferndale, USA/WA/WHATCOM
We'll see if this works. If I misspelled the ID, please kill this and let me know.
#175009 55 Fri Oct 21 18:26:59 1994 Freejack @ Digital Free America, CyberHell, USA
why couldn't that judge take the diary in private to make a determination if it was pertinent evidence or not? the guy sounds like he's on a power trip...
#175304 55 Fri Oct 21 19:28:55 1994 Torch Song @ Twilight Voice, City in the Clouds, US/WA/WHATCOM
And just think -- that's 7 years more than most abusers get... But the victims have a life sentence.
#175306 55 Fri Oct 21 21:37:02 1994 MontyL @ Black Mountain, Kendall, US/WA/Whatcom
You're in the right place, Blain.
#175557 55 Sat Oct 22 08:34:47 1994 Blain Nelson @ Blain's World (not!) BBS, Ferndale, USA/WA/WHATCOM
Good.
#175783 55 Sat Oct 22 12:05:53 1994 [Voyage of the] Flying Wombat @ Critter Haven, Seattle, WA
yes, and welcome. like I'd said (when seeking for network this room), child abuse and domestic violence (spousal abuse) go hand in hand. as they are symptoms of the same basic pathology, it's good to discuss them together.
#177471 55 Sun Oct 23 10:33:55 1994 [I have come from Isles] GB [to say hello.] @ 3aThe Ghetto0, 3Shoreline0, 3aJack's Basement0
A lot of child molestors are let go in order to make room for those evil miscreants convicted of marjuana possession or <<GASP!!>> even worse, cultivation! If you want to know where a lot of pedophiles hang out, go onto the USENET group "alt.sex.mike-labbe". They basically legally exchange pictures of naked kids their for all to download, as well as texts involving consensual (and in rare cases, nonconsensual) sex involving children. I think Mike Labbe was this convicted pedophile who argued that children knew what they were doing when they had sex, that they were competent, and that many children enjoyed sex. I brought up the question, "Why are you people pedophiles?" on the group. I didn't want to see like just another flamer, I wanted to actually talk to one of them and pick their brain. I got one pedophile to give me a very good explanation. "Homosexuals can't really help being homosexuals can they? It is the same with pedophiles. We are simply aroused by children. Some people may be aroused by sheep, or door knobs, without really knowing why." Ok, makes sense. "I have two kids and a wife of my own. I believe that children know what they want, and that they can enjoy sex." With this I asked, "What age group are we talking here? Pedophilia can apply to 14 year olds or 6 year olds. Would you ever have sex with a child, and of what age?" He wouldn't answer the having sex with children part, obviously out of fear that I would narc on him or something. But he explained that all children can enjoy sex, and that he's known six year olds who willingly and with pleasure indulge in sex. Give alt.sex.mike-labbe a try... it's interesting that it even exists...
#177472 55 Sun Oct 23 23:14:03 1994 Blain Nelson @ Blain's World (not!) BBS, Ferndale, USA/WA/WHATCOM
FW -- I'm not sure if spouse abuse and child abuse do share the same basic pathology. Perhaps they do. Clearly there is some shared territory, but there are some particularly interesting areas where they don't. But before I talk about that I'm going to have to talk about spouse abuse more than I can tonight. Sorry. I'll be back.
#176679 55 Mon Oct 24 09:31:17 1994 Kagro X @ Saint Dismas' Infirmary, Takoma No Nuke Park, MD, US/MD/PEOPLES' REPUBLIC
It was a plant. I wrote that book.
#177694 55 Mon Oct 24 13:22:31 1994 [I have come from Isles] GB [to say hello.] @ 3aThe Ghetto0, 3Shoreline0, 3aJack's Basement0
If we're talking child beating I think the abusers of wives and children are one in the same. Sexual offenders are a little more complicated.
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