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I consider myself a lunatic (and rightly so!) but I still feel qualified to belabor the belief systems of others.
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I have read a good portion of these conversations, not to be an asshole, but only a few of you actually know what the hell is going on. Admittedly, I don't know much more, but liveing in Farmington New Mexico (Part of the national pentagram, and the home of the Navajo Indians and Skinwalkers) has given me a considaral amount of information of the subject content. And by giving any information on this subject could mean death. Don't be suprised if I turn up missing .
Tasy, find out what you are getting into before practicing ANY of this. Do this for your own safety.
Saint Bob
Sir Chaos, symbols and talismans are a big interest of mine as well, though not as in-depth as yourself. Can you recommend some sourcebooks?
Puck
Sir Chaos, it isn't easy to find a coven -- there are a lot of them out there, and you still should keep looking if you truly want to study the Craft -- but I can tell you from past experience, that finding the RIGHT coven isn't easy!!! I first found out about the Craft in the Navy, and studied for a while, even though my High Priest was overseas. He'd send me some things, but the majority of the time, *I* had to study on my own, reading and studying anything and everything I could until I FINALLY got intiated some years later! (None of this 'year and a day' stuff!!!) My first High Priest, Pat Patterson, (head of the Georgian tradition of the Craft), had this in his first lesson: "READ! READ! READ!!! QUESTION!!! QUESTION!!! QUESTION!!!"
This meant that we should take NOTHING for granted -- you have questions about the Rede? Email me, and I'll try to answer what I can!
DON'T GIVE UP!!! If you're truly meant to find a coven, BELIEVE ME -- it won't be easy, but it WILL be worthwhile!!! Good luck, and keep me informed!
Twilight
Moonpuppy: One problem with your theology, You say "The earth is not ruled by the moon. the moon is a mere reflection of the sun". I beg to differ. The Earth is ruled more by the moon than the sun, look at the tides sometime, what Month is it? Seasons are just a larger cycle. The moon is not a reflection of the sun, Moonlight is. (Male and female combined, the highest magik around).
As per finding a coven, and learning the craft. I was given a wonderful oppertunity. I attended my first Circle with a relatively young group. (Not new, but not Georgan either) at the time it was rather open. before the first circle I attended I knew nothing. I had only a vague sketch of what would happen. I Learned a lot that first circle. most of which was tearing down old thought patterns and preconceptions. Drawing down the moon and Spiral Dance are two excellent books to learn about the Craft as a religion the first book giving an overview, the second giving more to what is practiced, the rituals themselves (In example). One other book I would suggest is Scot Cunningham's "Wicca, A Guide for the Solitary Practicioner", this is like Spiral dance, but a lot smaller of a book. Since I was introduced to the Craft, the coven I started with has grown into a closed coven, and a lot more structured. still not done learning. that is why we are still practicing witches.
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Honey used to practice Tantric Yoga. You could even get personal instruction if the price was right, or so I have been informed by a reliable source.
Saint Bob
Yeehah.
Sir Chaos
One of the many various reasons that most groups concerned with magic never actually got around to letting me in is that "Oaths of Secrecy" is literally against my personal honor and I am dead against making any of them.
St. Bob: Despite what anybody says, the best authority on symbols you can find is yourself. For source material, I'd reccomend "Complete Book of Witchcraft" by Raymond Buckland and, above all, Crowley's "777". Both have a very good set of symbols in them. If you're interested in just how Talismans work, there are such a variety of theories regarding it that I can't even begin to suggest one without knowing a little too well the other, just as authoritative sources that would disagree with it.
When you were a child, did you ever make up a personal cypher? If so, those little ditties are the BEST. Along with any other childhood symbols - these are the most deeply rooted to any talismatic sorcerer and, as far as my experience goes, will always work the best. If not, feel free to make your own and practice, practice, practice writing in them.
The actual diagrams (triangle, square, pentagram) etc. are all very debatable and I would suggest yo make your own definitions for them. For other's views, see the Lesser Key of Soloman, the Secrets of Abremelin the Mage, the Black Pullet, or any other old grimoire. A good place to find these books and others is International Imports... gads, can't find the address...
Another place is the Tyrad Company, Box 17006, Minneapolis, Minnosota, 55417. I think the catalog costs somewhere around $2.50.
Hope it helps,
-Sir Chaos
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