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#1034 49 Tue Jan 21 19:10:27 1992 Pez Mexican @ Blazing Anthropus, Tacoma
Monty: No trouble. If you double the temperature in Kelvin, you double the volume (if all other variables are held constant) ONLY IN AN IDEAL SITUATION. The relation to which I'm sure you refer is the Ideal Gas Equation of State and the only gas that follows this relation is an Ideal Gas; a fictional, model gas. There are many other equations of state that more accuratly predict the actions of real gasses. For instance: Van der Waals Eq (the most commonly used), Beattie-Bridgeman Eq, Benedict-Webb-Rubin Eq, and Virial Eq. Your "By the way" refers to another of the many definitions of absolute zero. The novelty of the Kelvin scale arises in its utility (mostwise thermodynamically). My "Also" was directed at a past message which related that absolute zero was the point at which matter was without energy. They didn't refer to kenetic energy. Nor did I. Without energy there is no matter, for matter is energy. While matter without kinetic energy (a very odd statement in relative terms) would simply be very cold matter.
#1035 49 Thu Jan 23 00:19:59 1992 [Thanks to all who helped pay..] Allen Larson [..my nudie magazine bills] @ Mystic Frenzy, Cedar Hill, Texas
RE nicad batteries: When I charge my camcorder batteries, I don't rec-charge them until they are out of power. I'm now on my second set, the first having crapped out and want to keep the new ones around longer. Do I want to drain them fairly promptly (e.g. leave camcorder on VTR mode until goes off) when I'm not gonna use it for a while?
#1036 49 Tue Jan 28 02:08:15 1992 Another modemer @ The Log Cabin, Seattle
I think that nicads can be retrained by cycling them (fully charging then discharging fully) 2-3 times. More modern ones have molybdnum (sp?) added & don't get that memory effect (as much?) Or buy a gel cell!
#1040 49 Tue Feb 4 22:31:06 1992 Nighthawk @ Shades of Blue, Dark side of the moon
I've heard about the memory effect while dealing with Physio control Defibrilator packs... I talked to several professionals in the electronic field since about the matter and the most committed comment I could ever get was "I've never seen an indication of memories in nicad batteries" I do keep in mind though, that the defib. packs are still fully drained before recharging in most Fire Departments and King County Medic One rigs as a matter of Dept. policy. hmmm...Go Figure :}
#1039 49 Wed Feb 5 02:56:25 1992 [***===[] Ron House []===***] @ Mystic Frenzy, Cedar Hill, Texas
INteresting...
#1038 49 Wed Feb 5 03:35:55 1992 Bob Hennings @ Crosstime Saloon, Dallas
If you get a chance, read the article in this month's QST magazine on NiCad batteries. The memory theory about NiCads is a myth. they don't have a 'memory' but they will reach a point where they wont take a full charge. Also, you should *never* fully discharge a NiCad. The cells could reverse, or if they are shorted to discharge them fully they could gas off hydrogen and either explode or completly lose all electrolyte and die.
#1037 49 Wed Feb 5 16:02:10 1992 Monty @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
Pez Mexican: Sorry to have disputed your knowledge! I thank you for pointing out my errors, as I am only a lowly high school chemistry student and the only gas law we have been introduced to is the Ideal Gas Law, I went on that basis alone.
#1694 49 Sat Feb 8 12:49:21 1992 [Papa John's] Jon Lusky [Delivers the Perfect Pizza] @ Who Am I, Nashville
I wasn't aware that NiCads contained hydrogen... I've used NiHyds (Nickel hydrogen) batteries before, and they had charge and discharge curves similar to NiCads. They also had no memory, weren't hurt by complete discharge (we had 24 of them submerged in dirty water for three months), and accidentally tried to charge eigth of them backwards for 5 hours (never let a EE grad student play with electricity!). No damage... all oftheabove batteries were subsequently used for a Orlando to Detroit trek in a solar/electric powered car.
#1041 49 Sun Feb 9 09:22:27 1992 Night Hawk [the Iconoclast] @ Mystic Frenzy, Cedar Hill, Texas
Those of us that like to play with expensive RC cars as toys to smash up and rebuild usually try to get a full charge on our bat's - then make sure they're all the way decharged if you're not going to use them... the rule is, all the way up, or all the way down, not in the middle...
#1042 49 Tue Feb 11 16:17:33 1992 [I am a form] Scorpion [of plant life] @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
Or even cheap ones. I have a Tyco that has been stomped on, kicked, run over with a bike, had dogs try to eat it and run into walls, and it's still running great. My battery only lasts about 15 min but I haven't seen any decrece in power output. I just run it at full speed unitl it won't move anymore.
#1043 49 Wed Feb 12 10:26:17 1992 Harlock @ Paradise, Tacoma
Why does tapping on a coke can reduce the pressure inside?
#1044 49 Thu Feb 13 08:12:03 1992 Sassy 1 @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
Hmmm...... good question.
#1052 49 Thu Feb 13 13:32:11 1992 Napoleon @ Paradise, Tacoma
It doesn't.
#1045 49 Thu Feb 13 14:51:27 1992 [Clear the roads...] Captain James T Kirk [Audin's in trafic safty...] @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
I don't think it dose... My sister dose that, anoys the hell out of me... tap tap tap tap tap tap tap... on andon andon...
#1046 49 Thu Feb 13 16:48:36 1992 [I am a form] Scorpion [of plant life] @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
It supposedly gets the CO2 to disolve into the pop or something like that.
#1047 49 Thu Feb 13 17:39:14 1992 Monty @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
it's just the time you spend tapping gives the liquid time to dissolve the CO2
#1053 49 Thu Feb 13 17:57:28 1992 Harlock @ Paradise, Tacoma
So that's just a myth?
#1056 49 Thu Feb 13 19:38:59 1992 [Oh] John R. Dempsey [don't give me your crap] @ Paradise, Tacoma
Ok, wait. This memory effect is just a myth? Really?
#1048 49 Thu Feb 13 20:41:15 1992 [That's really sweet of you,] stderr [but I said I was 'Gaelic'.] @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
Maybe it does nothing and is just a rumor someone once started. (And if now laughing....)
#1049 49 Fri Feb 14 00:48:18 1992 [That's really sweet of you,] stderr [but I said I was 'Gaelic'.] @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
Spaceport RoundTable Category 5, Topic 3 Message 146 Fri Feb 14, 1992 FRANK.REDDY [Frank] at 00:43 EST And speaking of bibliographies . . . . Note particularly the book reviews at the end. FR ================================================================= COLD NUCLEAR FUSION BIBLIOGRAPHY ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Additions 27-Jan. 1992 Dieter Britz alias britz@kemi.aau.dk Total in Section 2: 649 1. Books ^^^^^^^^ ----------------------------------------------------------------- none ----------------------------------------------------------------- 2. Published articles, letters ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ----------------------------------------------------------------- Arnikar HJ; Ind. J. Chem. Sci. 4 (1990) 65. "'Cold fusion' - a misnomer". ** A recital of the author's belief that there is no cold fusion. There may be chemisorption or occlusion of electrolytically produced deuterium, both of which are exothermic and yield at most 10 eV, not 0.5 MeV as required for fusion. So fusion cannot be happening. As well, there ought to be helium, neutrons and gammas, and there is no good evidence for these. Ergo, nix. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Britz D; J. Radioanal. Nucl. Chem. Lett. 155 (1991) 377. "Parameter correlations in cold fusion measurements". ** Besides listing some of those few cold fusion experiments in which correlations between different measured parameters were found, the author looks closely at the paper of Birgul et al, which clearly shows some remarkably correlated gamma emissions and cell temperature; Birgul et al do not seem to make much of this. Britz calculates the cross correlation function and finds a peak of 0.34 at a lag of 16 min, i.e. the temperature tends to lead gamma emissions by 16 minutes on average. No explanation is offered. Aug-91/Dec-91 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Davidonis R, Duskesas G, Kalinauskas R, Makarinunas K, Petrauskas J, Remeiskis V, Ruzele B; Litovskii Fiz. Sbornik 30(6) (1990) 65. Original: Liet. Fiz. Rinkinys 30(6) (1990) 727 (in Russian). "An experimental evaluation of the probability of cold fusion". ** In May and June 1989, a cold fusion experiment was run in the Institute of Physics of the Lithuanian Academy of Sciences, and this is a report. A quartz cell with cooling jacket was used for the electrolysis, using the usual 0.1 M LiOD, and a Ti or Pd rod, 8 mm dia., 40 mm long. Heat was measured as the difference in temperature between the outlet and inlet of the coolant, which entered at 10 degC. This was calibrated using a resistive heater in the cell. The cell was placed in a plastic scintillator well for neutron counting (by proton recoil), and a gamma spectrometer recorded gammas using a NaI crystal. 10 cm of Pb shielding was used to reduce the background. Several measurement series were carried out, at 0.1 and 0.5 A/cm**2, for both Pd and Ti cathodes, and a duration of 24-72 hours. The results show that the upper limit for fusion was 5 orders of magnitude below that reported by FPH-89. Also, the 27-fold tritium increase in the electrolyte (no details given how this was measured) was in line with electrolytic enrichment considerations. Dec-89/? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rees LB, Dautovich DP, Linford RK, Thomassen KI; J. Fusion Energy 10 (1991) 111. "Panel discussion. Cold fusion: What do we know? What do we think?". ** This is a number of short items by the authors, individually, arising from a panel discussion. Rees discusses the possibilities and problems of muon catalysed cold fusion, and Palmer's geological clues to possible fusion in the Earth, namely the anomalous helium ratios and tritium in the atmosphere, from volcanoes. This led to the well known Jones+ work, and Rees gives some of the background here. As possible explanation, piezonuclear fusion (which would not prodcue bursts) and fractofusion (Rees mentions only US work and ignores the Russians). FPH's results are considered doubtful by Rees. Dautovich accounts for Canadian work in the area. D singles out the work of Bockris et al, of the Huggins group, Jones et al and Scaramuzzi et al, as the significant results that might be convincing. Linford gives a standard rundown of what is known (one week after the Santa Fe conference) and offers some tentative explanations such as reduced lattice spacing or fractofusion. Thomassen notes that the excess heat and neutron emissions may not be related, and this may be a case of pathological science, but does give credit to the excess heats of Srinivasan and Appleby, and of the Huggins group, who did not correct for the heat of water electrolysis, so are independent of the recombination question. ?/Mar-91 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Sobkowski J; Wiad. Chem. 44 (1990) 587 (in Polish). "Cold fusion - facts and opinions". ** The author was apparently asked by the journal editor to write this review, shortly after a cold fusion conference in Poland in May 1989. This review was submitted in February 1990, and is a summary of the field, without much in the way of contribution by the author himself. The problems raised by cnf are described, such as the branching ratio, and some of the motivation background is mentioned (the alleged anomalous (3)He/(4)He ratio in the atmosphere, in some metals etc). Some of the possible ways to detect cold fusion are named such as neutron and gamma detection. There is a detailed description of the Jones+ and FPH work, and the critical papers of Keddam, Horanyi, Kreysa and others. Supporting work is also included, such as works suggesting the (4)He branch, and the quiet dissipation as heat of the 24 MeV released from that branch. The author concludes that cold fusion will continue to live for some time, but that practical applications are unlikely. Feb-90/? ----------------------------------------------------------------- 3. Patents ^^^^^^^^^^ ----------------------------------------------------------------- none ----------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Commentary ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ----------------------------------------------------------------- Bauer HH; J. Sci. Exploration 4 (1991) 267. Book review: "Too Hot to Handle: The Race for Cold Fusion". ** Electrochemist and science philosopher HH Bauer reviews Frank Close's book. While it compares well with the "pot boiler" by Peat, it appears to have major failings. For example, Close does not know the stature of Fleischmann, and does not explain some things of importance such as FPH's derivation of the famous fugacity of 1E27 (HHB does not mention that this is itself a doubtful concept). As for the sections of the book of a science- philosophical nature, HHB considers them very weak, and suggests a separate book on the subject. There are complaints (not for the first time) about the proofreading and editing of the book. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Garwin RL; Science 254 (1991) 1394 (29-Nov). Book review: "Fire from Ice". ** Garwin reviews Eugene Mallove's book at some length. Garwin makes a hobby of debunking false claims and has scored in the areas of gravity waves and polywater. He stresses here that experimental results are of primary importance, which Mallove also says in defense of cold fusion in the face of its theoretical rejection. However, the experiments cited by Mallove are found, on closer examination, to be inconclusive. Garwin writes that cold fusion may, after all, be an example of pathological science. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Lewenstein B; Publ. Underst. Sci. 1 (1992) 132. Book Review: "Too Hot to Handle: The Story of the Race for Cold Fusion"
#1050 49 Fri Feb 14 00:48:34 1992 [That's really sweet of you,] stderr [but I said I was 'Gaelic'.] @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
will be pleased to read. BL considers the book timely and clearly written by a professional but complains of wordiness, repetition and
#1051 49 Fri Feb 14 00:49:10 1992 [That's really sweet of you,] stderr [but I said I was 'Gaelic'.] @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
Does some have a filter that would read in ordinary text and output it in a format that could be uploaded to Cits?
#1057 49 Fri Feb 14 12:25:34 1992 Napoleon @ Paradise, Tacoma
Harlock, yes.
#1054 49 Fri Feb 14 16:24:19 1992 Monty @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
is superfluid helium a liquid or the fifth state of matter?
#1055 49 Fri Feb 14 19:43:37 1992 [sysop] Steve Baxter [206-786-9248] @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
By superfluid, Monty, do you mean at about 1 degree K ? Where it seems to ignore gravity?
#1058 49 Sat Feb 15 10:30:21 1992 Monty @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
yes, i haven't heard that it ignores gravity, but that it loses ALMOST all of it's viscosity
#1695 49 Sat Feb 15 17:44:17 1992 Dernhelm @ Who Am I, Nashville
I work daily with a portable hand held terminal that is powered by Ni-Cads. They run for 8 hours a day and then charged for 16. (at the end of the week we let them drain completely and install new batteries on Monday.) The folks that do not change batteries on a weekly basis find the terminal is 'tits' up after 9 hours work in a day.
#1205 49 Sat Feb 15 19:11:15 1992 [Heeeeeere's] mike thomas @ Mystic Frenzy, Cedar Hill, Texas
because it doesn't.
#1059 49 Sun Feb 16 03:22:26 1992 [sysop] Steve Baxter [206-786-9248] @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
It loses almost all viscosity. So it will flow up the sides of a container.
#1545 49 Sun Feb 16 15:05:51 1992 [From Beyond] Chevelair De'Guise [Returns to haunt you] @ Shades of Blue, Dark side of the Moon
bizarre
#1256 49 Sun Feb 16 16:50:14 1992 Monty @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
yeah, that's the stuff, so, is it the fifth state of matter or not? it's got too many strange properties to be classified only as a liquid, but does it have enough to be a whole new state of matter?
#1305 49 Mon Feb 17 00:11:50 1992 [Yes it's true...] Spur [50 watts are MINE!]
Anyone feel like educating us masses about this superliquid stuff? What abnormal properties does it have?
#1351 49 Mon Feb 17 15:04:50 1992 Shane
please tell.
#1696 49 Tue Feb 18 01:44:23 1992 [The] Thought [needs ANSI in his T/S....] @ The Log Cabin, Seattle
My guess would be that it does qualify as a fifth state.
#1562 49 Tue Feb 18 13:21:40 1992 Monty
it's helium cooled to 2.17 K, at that temperature, the electrons 'orbiting' the nucleus 'freeze' together to form a sort of pseudo-boson. if you stir a glass of coffee, and take out the stick you were stirring with, eventually it , the coffee, will stop swirling around, with superfluid helium, it won't stop swirling for a VERY long time, because it has lost all it's viscosity.
#1615 49 Tue Feb 18 18:31:12 1992 [Yes it's true...] Spur [50 watts are MINE!]
then that's not really a special property at all... it's just a great loss of viscosity. right?
#1842 49 Wed Feb 19 12:14:17 1992 [The only mistake] stderr [I ever maked.] @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
my first laptop had lead acid batteries. worked really well.
#1843 49 Wed Feb 19 17:10:49 1992 Monty @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
Thought> that's the way i was thinking too, but i want to know if it goes directly from a liquid to superfluidity instead of becoming a solid, or is there a breif moment when there is a solid, or is it just classified as a liquid
#1773 49 Wed Feb 19 19:07:53 1992 [Yes it's true...] Spur [50 watts are MINE!]
And what special properties qualify it as being unlike all other states?
#1790 49 Wed Feb 19 19:54:47 1992 Isis
What is the fourth state?
#2872 49 Wed Feb 19 20:44:03 1992 Dernhelm @ Who Am I, Nashville
Helium II is still a liquid even though it seems to violate gravity and behaves in other odd ways. Not having full access to the thread I assume that by the states of matter we are discussing Solid, Liquid, Gas and Plasma. (or more commonly stated, Earth, Water, Air, and Fire.)
#1858 49 Thu Feb 20 03:11:56 1992 [Another] Roya [Engine]
Does anyone know anything more about Aerogels?
#1908 49 Thu Feb 20 12:12:30 1992 Captain James T Kirk
Hmm, nope, i haven't heard anything about them, other than the one that can hold up a cuple onces...They look cool...
#1918 49 Thu Feb 20 13:57:26 1992 [Brand X] Scorpion [Title/Surname]
I have/had a scientific american article about areogels
#1932 49 Thu Feb 20 15:07:03 1992 Monty
Isis> plasma is the fourth state, it happens when you heat a substance over 10 million or so degrees celsius. it's not dense at all, far less so than a gas, and they hold it in place by using strong magnetic fields. scientistdiscovered it when looking for nuclear fussion
#1974 49 Thu Feb 20 19:36:39 1992 Isis
oh okay...
#2000 49 Thu Feb 20 20:30:43 1992 [Another] Roya [Engine]
Scorpion-really? i had one in a Discover magazine... yeah, they look neat. they're supposed to feel like cotton candy. and hold about 100 times their own weight... really neat.
#2037 49 Fri Feb 21 12:40:11 1992 Captain James T Kirk
hmm, scorp, which month/year???
#2049 49 Fri Feb 21 13:11:50 1992 Shane
but wouldn't that fourth state still be a gas? I just can't see how it's any different really...
#2103 49 Fri Feb 21 17:40:50 1992 Isis
I kinda can, but I can't see how this "super liquid" is a 5th state...
#2385 49 Fri Feb 21 23:29:12 1992 [Brand X] Scorpion [Title/Surname]
Audin> I don't know, I'll dig it out of my magazine graveyard and scrape the dust off...
#2345 49 Sat Feb 22 02:34:29 1992 Shane
the fourth would still be a gas, just with the molecules spread out further.
#2353 49 Sat Feb 22 03:02:57 1992 Monty
no, there are other properties, i just don't know them, it is a fourth state, something happens to the electrons of the atoms at that high of a temperature
#2271 49 Sat Feb 22 04:56:32 1992 Captain James T Kirk
Well, i can see that if the electrons where almost forzen still, that would probably put it in another state...
#2629 49 Sat Feb 22 05:22:44 1992 [The] Thought [needs ANSI in his T/S....] @ The Log Cabin, Seattle
It would probably depend upon the element in question, Monty... As you know, all elements have different melting points, so reason would tell us that they would have different "superfluidity" points, too....
#2870 49 Sun Feb 23 08:24:15 1992 Harlock @ Paradise, Tacoma
Merlin had this insight into the soda can question: Tapping the can knocks bubbles loose from the sides so they rise to the top where they can expand when the can is openned without spewing out coke.
#2467 49 Sun Feb 23 11:37:55 1992 Spur
plasma is almost like another form of matter. When you heat a gas enough that it loses all of it's electrons, then all you have is protons and neutrons. That is what plasma is. Protons.
#2470 49 Sun Feb 23 16:00:34 1992 Captain James T Kirk
PLasma is also highly energetic...
#2871 49 Sun Feb 23 22:42:06 1992 [I still listen] Napoleon [to 8 track tapes] @ Paradise, Tacoma
He's right too. Also, when they are loose as a gas at the top, they can resaturate into the soda.
#2628 49 Mon Feb 24 00:46:11 1992 [sysop] Steve Baxter [206-786-9248] @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
Monty> I think I remember that it is a liquid while it is superfluid. Another degree cooler and it is supposed to become solid.
#2630 49 Mon Feb 24 08:18:35 1992 [sysop] Steve Baxter [206-786-9248] @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
Thought> Are you saying all elements have a superfluid point?
#2631 49 Mon Feb 24 15:31:04 1992 Monty @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
i doubt that is possible, only helium (and maybe neon) have melting points so low that their electrons will bond together to form the pseudo-bosons necessary for superfluidity. any other element would already be a solid by the time it had reached the temperature necessary for superfluidity. Steve> I agree with you, it should still be classified a liquid, no matter what strange properties it may have.
#2565 49 Mon Feb 24 17:25:28 1992 Spur
that's probably because of the high enough energy you need to soak into it to get rid of all it's electrons!
#2579 49 Mon Feb 24 19:26:04 1992 Captain James T Kirk
Yup... makes sence...
#2712 49 Tue Feb 25 05:35:48 1992 ["Cool people] Roya [don't erase"] @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
Scorp-Thanks for the article.. that was cool..
#2778 49 Tue Feb 25 19:05:34 1992 [Brand X] Scorpion [Title/Surname]
Roya> Sure
#2812 51 Tue Feb 25 22:10:04 1992 ETHAN WALKER
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#3065 49 Tue Feb 25 23:45:21 1992 [The Yeti saw my lounge act &] Allen Larson [call me The Abominable Showman] @ Mystic Frenzy, Cedar Hill, Texas
I gotta question that came up today: Everyone knows how dangerous a flooded, fast moving creek or river is, that the common knowledge is that the currents pull you under and you drown. The question is why? Is it that the lower levels of water are typically slower (because of underbruch etc.) that sort of "trips" you underwater and drowns you? In other words, why is it so hard to stay afloat and breathe?
#2876 49 Wed Feb 26 11:08:34 1992 ["I've got women to do"] Blade Runner ["and places to see"]
About the soda pop. THAT"S EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!! when it was first brought up... nobody listened..... sniff.... I'm just ignored.. Merlin knows cause he's Coca-Cola junkie!!! hehe
#2889 49 Wed Feb 26 12:56:44 1992 Monty
Dernhelm> thank's for the answer, cleared up a lot of stuff for me
#2946 51 Wed Feb 26 19:28:54 1992 ETHAN WALKER
wen moor, enim, won.
#3049 49 Thu Feb 27 07:53:25 1992 Spur
doesn't seem like this superfluid is really THAT special, it just has uncommon characteristics. It ignores gravity because it is less dense than air. It's the same thing as wood floating on water. (i assume, anyways)
#3346 49 Thu Feb 27 09:54:23 1992 Pez Mexican @ Paradise, Tacoma
Monty, Pseudo-bosons???
#3077 51 Thu Feb 27 15:57:38 1992 ETHAN WALKER
tog a repmuts rof uoy lla....yhw seod enahS evah S.M.P. smotpmys neve ghuoht eh si ton a lrig?..............pmuwguM "the great"
#3126 49 Thu Feb 27 20:59:06 1992 Spur
ah, but how do you know he's a male-type? you ever seen any proof? trust me on this one, i know what i'm talking about.
#3187 49 Fri Feb 28 02:58:24 1992 [In your] Oyra [face Nirvana!]
hmm... i'm trying to remember if i had learned anything about undercurrents... hmm...
#3347 49 Fri Feb 28 06:25:50 1992 Monty @ Columbia Crest BBS, Olympia, US 206 786 9248
Pez> That's what my little book says! Got a whole page and a half about the stuff, so don't take it up with me, talk to John Gribbon.
#3363 49 Fri Feb 28 12:32:31 1992 Monty
Spur> superfluid helium is not less dense, it ignores gravity because as it spins, it picks up velocity and climbs up the sides of the contain.
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