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deadman
so...how's it feel?
bill
Just postin' again.
Spur
like i said, not hard.
deadman
wait for rigor mortis. it's neat.
Spur
i guess everything starts to get hard right about then...
deadman
indeed.
Spur
now i'm starting to understand necrophilia...
Blade Runner
gross!!
Lightning
But TRUE!!! Ick...
deadman
hey, some of us don't find it that bad. maybe even natural....
Lightning
Well, in YOUR case, of course, we understand...
Spur
rigor mortis is pretty convenient sometimes, like when you're drunk...
Blade Runner
explain? that makes no sense... oh wait, forget it, spur isn't supposed to make sense right?
Scorpion
Spur never made any sense.
Spur
i never make any grumpghghgh;
Lightning
Hmmm... That made no sense either... That's the Spur we know and love...
Blade Runner
but he doesn't have to screw up words for him to not make sense, that happens anyway!! hehe
Lightning
Yeah... We have those who make little sense by misspelling, and those who make little sense by themselves...
Blade Runner
it's just a great big diverse little limited world we live in here.... :)
Captain James T Kirk
What? no messages? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
TUNA
Lets solve all the worlds problems right here, in one hour...that was one of my history teachers' wonderful lesson plans-except he WAS serious. The guy is almost a joke. He looks like hes about three fries short of a happy meal!
Isis
Mr. grant is neat...about half the female population of capital has crushes on him too...He's my idol, he went to HARVARD...
Scorpion
A friend and I tried to solve the world's problems once. We had everything worked out except the middle east
bill
Nuke the bastards. That solves the Middle East. Got any more problems for me?
deadman
go isis. "his diploma was HUGE."
Italian Stallion
HUGELY Priced, for sure. over 20,000 one year.
Italian Stallion
Then again Thad Collard said USC was 25 grand a year for a 1st day declared Major in Computer Engineering.
Blade Runner
I'll pass on that tuition thanks...
Scorpion
Bill> If only Roya were here
TUNA
Mr. Grant isn't that cool, and you'd never know that he went to HARVARD by talking to him.
Spur
he's pretty cool. and harvard don't mean dip.
Isis
he's still my idol, I want to be on his good side & do REALLY well when I take his class, so he will write me a good recomendation, in case I decide to apply there. (they have THE BEST anthropology dpt., but it's unlikely that they will accept me for the first 4 years, i'll have to wait until grad. school probably.)
Spur
why is it so unlikely? if you think you'll do as well as you will, then they probably will accept you. but i doubt if you could afford it (unless your grandma pays for it)
Isis
there are loans & stuff...I won't be high enought up in my class percentage, or have enough leadership roles anyway, I'll apply for the heck of it, but I don't expect to get in, and even if I do, another college will probably OFFER me enough money, to make it stupid to go there.
TUNA
Sure...why not, though? Oh, I do well in his class too, and I brownnose often, but that still doesn't mean that it isn't bullshit!
Isis
he's nice though, I've never had him, so I can't evaluate his mental ability, but he's read us K.b. questions before, and I've had small conversations with him, he SEEMS intelligent enough...although that thing about Columbus is a little odd.
Spur
what thing about columbus? and i'd bet you mr grant would hate Buchanan for president. Grant is liberal (like all intelligent people are). :) And isis, if you get 1500 on your SAT's, you'll be able to go just about anywhere. But even with scholarships and loans, can you afford 20,000 a year to go to harvard? i think not.
Isis
I don't expect a 1500 (although I did do that good on the 1986 copy that the councilers gave to us, I spent half a day taking it, just like it was the real thing), I wouldn't be supprised if I got 1300, I don't think I'll do any worse than that though. It'll depend a lot on how I feel that day (sickness seems to affect my ability to think A LOT)
Spur
I thought you said you expected between a 1300 and a 1500?
Italian Stallion
Mr. Grant is pretty cool, TUN. I know him from outside of class, (And coaching), and he's a pretty cool dude. Don't knock him. He's accomplished quite a bit.
Spur
he is a pretty cool guy. it's amazing how many people think that about him, too.
TUNA
OK, maybe I shouldn't knock him so much, but he really isn't very competant as a teacher, yet. All teachers are, though...not competant at first that is.
Spur
you mean, all teachers are incompetent, all of their careers. What do you mean he's not competent? in his teaching style, what? Competency is kinda hard to measure in teachers...
Italian Stallion
Most people in other classes that had Grant 1st tri think They are not learning as much because they no longer have the opportunity to take Mr. Grant's class.
Scorpion
School is teachers who don't know, teaching facts that arn't true to kids who don't care. Can anyone imigine being in a class that Jon Jones is teaching?
TUNA
He doesn't know the subject material very well. Mr. Gray, for example, is pretty bad too, but he does know the subject material-but only because he has taught it for twenty some years.
Italian Stallion
Making Moody the most informative, while Grant is the best teacher.
Isis
That's not always true.
Isis
Way to steal jokes.
Steve Baxter
Blade> Wasn't that plagurized from Happy Hairy?
But I agree...Fire 'em all. Make 'em work for a living.
Blade Runner
Steve> hehe, next time I'll include quotes, and you'll do the same I trust? hehe
Nique
Who's this Happy Harry dude I keep hearing about?
I've considered becoming a teacher (well, actually I AM a teacher, since I'm home-educating my children)... and it's definitely not because I "can't". It's because I CHOOSE to.
Cthulhu
The biggest problem with education today is that parents are not being held responsible for the actions of their children.
The next biggest screw up is that they stopped teaching citizenship (learning how to get along in life).
The next biggest problem is that the U.S. school system is using methods of teaching that have been known to be terrible since the mid fifties, and they refuse to change.
Sassy 1
Watin' for the Deave..... Oh, here you are Mr. Deasky! And I understand you are a guidance counselor?
Blade Runner
Ooooooo, no qoutes again... plagarism.... hehe, who cares..... :)
Cthulhu
It's a daycare because of no funding, lax law enforcement, and two generations of parents only interested in themselves...
Sassy 1
So many people hating the scholl system and so little people doing something about it...... (*sigh*)
Sassy 1
Well, I'm going to build a new community for people who don't like the one we're in now.... It'll include a school of course.
Captain James T Kirk
Sassy, QUICK, Break out the SimCity!
stderr
how bout SimAnt?
Captain James T Kirk
Well.. if you wanted to build an ant colony...
Captain James T Kirk
Do you have that, bill?
Sassy 1
I'm serious.
Cthulhu
The U.S. school system is as it is because schools are not run democratically. It is very hard to force a school district to do much of anything.
Cthulhu
Oh, and I forgot to mention. Because most of the decisions are made by the superintendant and any other budgetary folks, what the teachers say the need is usually ignored.
Scorpion
In the whole time I've been in school, I've only had 3 teachers who really use up to date teaching techniques. The rest are just "read pages xx-xx and answer the questions on page xx, due monday" Most teachers have stopped carring long ago. There's not enough money in the job for the ammount of work needed to teach really well.
Nique
Scorpion, part of the reason that teachers don't use "up-to-date techniques" is that their hands are tied by the administration. Creativity is actively discouraged in public schools.
Isis
My elementry had an awful gifted program, it was only good my 2nd grade year (kinda), but even then it upset parents of the "nongifted" kids that we got something special, so it was downgraded greatly, and finally done away with, but it came back for 6th graders only, but then they let about half the kids in the grade in, so it really wasn't very good, and what we did was really pointless.
Scorpion
Like REACH at Jefferson. The state only gives enough funds for gifted programs for the top 1% of the students, but at Jefferson, they had extra money comming in so they had the top 5% in teh program. My eighth grade year, I had Mrs. Charles, who taught the P.A.T.S. program, for a block teacher. I also went to REACH that year. When you compared what Mrs. Charles was doing to what the reach teacher was doing, it was pittiful. The regular class was doing more learning and having more fun than the people in REACH. The regular class was comparing West Side Story to Romeo and Juilet and then acting out parts of West Side Story. In REACH, we were drawing a map of a country that we designed. The criteria for the country was so tight that all you could od was chose a name for your country and decide where it would be...
stderr
What is this, The Place For Gifed Children?
stderr
Hey, what's wrong with manual transmissions, audin? That's the only way to go....
Scorpion
Automatics are for weenies- My dad's view on cars. Sticks are more fun to drive
Roya
i was one of the idiots that didn't pass, or something happened, that i couldn't go... but hey, there was alwyas REACH. yay. like i learned anything new there.
Blade Runner
Isis> The same sort of thing happened to the gifted program I was in back in elementary school. It was a good program but people complained and eventually the program disappeared. I don't know if it even came back because I finished at that school and left.
Isis
My fourth grade year all we did was put out a really lame school paper, and mess with the apples in the keyboarding lab...in 2nd grade they started to teach us the logic stuff & begining programming (not that I remember any of it, it was basic anyway though) in 4th we used a lame-o word processor and played typing games...in 2nd grade we made an aquarium out of an apple juice jar & observed it (they all died in the end anyway...) in 6th we tried to see who could build the tallest tooth-pick tower in 30 mins. but it sucked anyway becuase my regular teacher was so bad in 2nd, she couldn't teach math worth sh*t & I never got to work on reading because she made me help the average kids so she could focus on the dumb ones during workbook time. I blame the Montesano school district for me being only "above average" now, I started out rad...it was my own fault too though...when I did the Jr. high reading stuff in 4th grade then in 6th grade had to do normal stuff because the teacher didn't have better matterials, does it take much wondering why I'm so lazy now?
Steve Baxter
I went through a lot of the same, Isis. I never did ANY homework in high school except an occasional essay. I simply read the chapter in the 10 minutes before the test and I always got A's on the tests. The math homework was so simple I did it during the 5 minute breaks between classes. I had no challenges at all.
Captain James T Kirk
I have that problem... most stuff is EASY... Its just the BORING stuff i get C'
s in... Like english and german... I just can't modivate myself to do the homework.
Roya
that's true... about 50% of my homework is just stuff-to-do, not really anything you can learn from...
stderr
Maybe you could work on spelling, audin.....
Scorpion
I HATE busy work. The only class where busy work is useful is in foreign language. English busy work sucks.
Sassy 1
ENGLISH busy work?! What about MATH busy work??!
Monty
well, english homework, vocab stuff and book reports, are busy work, because you cna learn all you need to know about english by reading, but math is different, you can't learn about math just by reading the math book and never doing any problems, because the math books aren't laid out that way. they are laid out so you need to practice the concepts to be able to do more advanced concepts
Captain James T Kirk
I don't mind math... becouse i'm really good at it. I have a really boring math teacher though, Mr. McDonald just goes through the book... nothing else... BORING... Even the tests are from the book. (teachers edition, that is)...
Andreas dosen't give any homework, so english is okay....
I thin most of the work in Driver's Ed is busy work though... And thats another really boring teacher... funnest part of the class is laughing at what thay call a "Simulator", Uh HUH, HAHAHAHAHAH! Simulator... what it simulates, i'll never know...
Sassy 1
I DISAGREE about English entirely. I do VERY well at it, but I still learn something every day. I might learn how to do the math problem after trying 2 or 3 problems. The teacher assigned 45. Busy work. I don't know what king of English you people have, but what I do in my class is read books and short stories, poems and plays, and discuss what we read. The only busy work we have is vocabulary. She has us write essays very rarely. I guess you all know i'm biased now, right? :)
Blade Runner
Math, Hmmm, not my strong subject. I understand the ideas quite easily, even the equations when explained. I just never found the number stuff very interesting...
stderr
Numbers are cool. They are round and fuzzy.
Sassy 1
Which number are those, Stderr?
stderr
Well, I was thinking of the number 8.
Monty
the thing about school i enjoy is science, math would be okay if i didn't have to spend an hour in the class, and english has become a class in writing essays and explaining literature to other people
Sassy 1
what's wrong with that? I hate grammer..... can't stand it!
Blade Runner
I like trying to figure out some of the stories and poems. Meanings and symbology can be interesting...
Sassy 1
Especially on a psychological standpoint.........
Blade Runner
Oh ya, what I called back for. Happy Valentine's Day!! I know it's after midnight but I won't tell if you won't... When we meet we can talk about when we could go flying.. I have access to a four-seat Cessna, a Cessna 182. If it's nice we could meet and then go flying? e's up in Tacoma though. My schedule is pretty flexible, just let me know when you're free. If there's a really nice day this weekend I might have some time. I have to finish an engine swap in my dad's car first though, ughh, tough job but it pays well.
stderr
That's what Scorpion told me.
Scorpion
I've only called Herinkx a fascist. Thanks for putting words in my mouth Spur
Monty
Sassy> nothing's wrong with liking to write essays, i do, i write essays on scice all the time, but once you've written a few english essays, and gotten the format down, there is no point in writing more, that's like doing the same math problems over and over, your
Monty
excuse me, that's supposed to be you eventually don't need to practice and it gets boring
Sassy 1
I agree with you!
Roya
i agree.
Monty
cool, we have the same philosophy on school, just different favorite classes
Captain James T Kirk
I too agree...
stderr
"Once you've written a few english essays, and gotten the format down, there is no point in writing more...." So you write 5 or 10 essays and you have English down pat?
Captain James T Kirk
You have the basics of ESSAYS down pat. not the english language.
Like, my english teacher has been stuck on combining curnal setences for about a month now... it's pathetic, we all figured out all of what she was teaching in the first week...
I think she just ran out of things to do... It's a time filler...
stderr
How could you run out of things to do in English?
Isis
Actually writing esays wouldn't be so bad, if we could actually learn something. The topics we're given are basicly very superficial, no depth, and if you try to find depth you discover it's impossible because then you would be changing the essay topic. Math homework isn't that necessary, I don't do most of it & when i do I don't really do the problems, but that's because math comes really easily so I don't need a lot of practice to understand something usually, and when I do, I take the iniciative to learn it myself & work out how ever many problems I need to learn it. Busy work in a forign language is okay, if it's good busy work, but the french book we have this year has pointless assignments that you could do without even knowing basic french, just plugging in words that they tell you to. Science is the best class though, (work wise), almost none of it is pointless, or just "busy work", you learn something from almost everything (except maybe repetive parts of labs)
Monty
stderr> it is easy to run out of things to do in english when none of your teachers are original thinkers, my current teacher just takes it straight from the book, we've read Julius Caesar and Medea so far, and it wouldn't be that bad if we could do an interesting project with it, not answer the discussion questions and write a four-paragraph essay on the composition question
stderr
So, how about this Tyson case? What does everyone think? Some people are actually saying that he was convicted because he was Black. Of course the 18 year beauty queen was also Black. And, of course, they say, William Kennedy Smith was White and he got off. Well, the woman in that case was also White. So, I guess we can come to the conclusion that Blacks treat Black women better than Whites treat White women..... Yea, THAT makes logical sense....
stderr
That's neat.... English teachers who can't think of anything original.....
Shane
that's a very bob sparks thing to say.
Cthulhu
Yup. But it isn't just english teachers. Teachers are taught to convey facts, very few know the difference between a fact and a concept...and fewer know how to convey concepts. Nouns, verbs...ect, read this and write about it. Boreing...no creativity. My first englich class with creativity was english 102 in college.
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Sorry about the last bit of junk. I have no idea why teachers are not taught to teach people "to learn" rather than to spout facts.
Isis
I would contribute further to this conversation, but the over all worthlessness of the americain school system annoys me so greatly, that I will do nothing but piss myself off further.
stderr
I was quite pissed off about that myself, Isis.
Captain James T Kirk
270!!! At worston it's only 158...
Sassy 1
If everyone hates school so much, why don't any of us do anything about it? Hmmm......
Roya
if the school system isn't living up to your expectations, do things OUTSIDE of school. you can learn by yourself too, ya know. take classes at a loca l college or something. there ARE other ways.
Roya
and then call the legislators up, and ask them to do something about the 270 fee on traffic safety.
Monty
there is a way around that fee, just wait until you are eighteen, and you don't have to pay it, i think
stderr
Outside of school is the only place I ever really learned anything. I've been saying that the school system is screwed up for years.
TUNA
at CHS its something around 200, I think...
Spur
Personally, i am taking classes at a local college. This next quarter, i plan on taking 2: Sociology 101 and Intro to Philosophy.
Scorpion
Monty> Be fair now, remember that one time when he only had us write 1 paragraph instead of the 2-3 the book suggested? He has a great formula for class: read pages x-y and answer questions z
Isis
I can't take anything at a college...lack of transportation...
Roya
yes, i could probably wait til i'm 18, but i don't want to.... mainly because i might do other stuff like take a college course, get a job, etc...
Captain James T Kirk
YEa, if >I< had to pay 152 bucks for traffic safty i wuolden't be in it. but, sence my mom payed for it...
Italian Stallion
You can get transportation somehow, Isis.
Monty
my senior year i am going to ake a couple of physics courses, cause i'm taking physics next year and won't have anything to do my senior year. i wish they were offering a different advanced science this next tri, i'm not too interested in comparative anatomy
Scorpion
It's 270 at CHS. I got in while it was still $70. haha
Roya
geez. i wanted to take both comparitive anatommy, and bio-ethics... but iguess i'll have to wait til next year, or my senior year. Bio-ethics sounds REALLY interesting. Mr. Nadleson was explaining it to our advisory. I think one of the experiments was to see if they could freeze dry a living goldfish, and bring it back to life.
Monty
far too many sophomores want to take comp. anat, and most of them haven't even taken biology, like trevor rowe, jim phillips, and i think i talked sam havens out of it, but he might do it. a couple of seniors in my advanced science class aren't going to take it because it'll be so hard, (and because so many sophomores want to take it)
Blade Runner
They've done that already with a dog. Worked great... A beagle.. cool dog too. Well trained and no memory effects whatsoever... neat experiment!
tuna
well, I GOT INTO comparative anatomy....hehehe...but now I have to come up with the $50!
Roya
what advanced science are you in now? I've already taken Biology anyway, that's why i want to take com. anatomy... Hey, Tuna, tell me what it's like!
Isis
I think sam did sign up for it...yeah it was him...he's the only one of the three you mentioned that I talk to...why take a class like that if you don't know diddly about biology, it seems like a waste...and it'll slow the rest of the class down when you ask stupid questions about dna or something, that everyone else knows...the only way I can see doing it is if you're a senior and can't wait until after biology, and you want to take a chalenging course, then it would make sense...
Monty
Isis> I agree with you, that's one reason I'm not taking it, the other is I really don't like comp. anat.
Roya> I am supposed to be in 'Computer Science' but it's more like a class called Soldering for Fun/Study Hall. It;s a really easy class.
Roya
oh...ok.. geez, i REALLY want to take another Biology class soon.. i didn't like all the homework in Bio that much, but now that i think back, i had A LOT more fun than Chemistry...
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